00:00 - Host: Would it be good, hopefully this would still be. This your boy N-O-R-E. Come in, close that door. That's what it is?
00:06 - Host: Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. This DJ, he here for this motherfucker. And this drink champs motherfuckin' happy hour makes up noise! What if we got horns?
00:16 - Host: Right now, we have technically one of the hottest rappers. That's not even technically right now, dawg. It is the hottest rapper in the game. Undisputed.
00:28 - Host: When you spar with the top dog, and you come out on top, and they're saying that they don't even want to come back, the top dog. That's why it's hard for Floyd Mayweather to fight anybody because for that night, that same boy is on that same level. But let's just go over.
00:43 - Host: This man has continuously stayed relevant in this game. He was discovered by one of the most phenomenal, what I call the best producer of our generation. Him and his brother had a phenomenal group. They did phenomenal things. They continue to do it.
01:00 - Host: Then he had a whole nother life where he goes to this, these other people, and then he becomes greater. And if you don't know who we're talking about right now, we're gonna talk about motherfuckin' Pusha T. Make some noise!
01:18 - Pusha T: Thank you.
01:19 - Host: So Pusha T, I want to take it. First of all, let me give you that bottle of Don Perignon. You know what I'm saying? We gotta give him drink chance sneakers, too. Yeah, you know Don Perignon. Listen, we gotta give him. We gotta give him. We gotta give him nobody Don Perignon. We gotta show the sneakers.
01:30 - Host: On this show. Yeah, yeah, on this show. Show them the sneakers when we give them. And we give you the drink chance sneakers.
01:36 - Pusha T: Okay, okay.
01:36 - Host: We know you with Adidas. You know what I'm saying? We ain't trying, but you know you can put it in the living room or something.
01:44 - Pusha T: Don't fuck up my money.
01:45 - Host: Yeah, yeah. Don't fuck up my money right now. No, no, just take it as a souvenir. Take it out. You're passing over. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Take it as a souvenir. It's a drink chance souvenir. Listen it out. The Don Perignon, you can pop here or you can take with you. It's totally up to you.
01:58 - Pusha T: Okay, okay.
01:59 - Host: You know what I'm saying? Because you do have a bottle of your own rosé too. Because you deserve to have your own bottle of rosé.
02:03 - Pusha T: Okay.
02:03 - Host: So, I mean, before we jump into that, I want to big up to somebody. I want to big up to B-Dot, right? From Rap Radar. Because B-Dot from Rap Radar, he sent out a tweet the other day, which was shocking to me. And he said, I wonder what a Pusha T interview would sound like about Pusha T's album.
02:20 - Pusha T: Whew.
02:20 - Host: And that messed me up because I was like, damn, you know, I see all these memes, you know, and I think that's what's being overshadowed right now is the great bodily of work. Everybody's just talking about the battle and shit.
02:32 - Pusha T: Yeah, everybody's just talking about the battle.
02:33 - Host: So, what I want to do is I want to break down the whole album.
02:36 - Pusha T: Let's do it.
02:37 - Host: And the album is great.
02:38 - Pusha T: It's a great album.
02:39 - Host: We got song number one. What's song number one?
02:41 - Pusha T: I got it in my own shit right here.
02:42 - Host: If you know, you know.
02:43 - Pusha T: If it's as if you know, you know.
02:46 - Host: Yeah.
02:47 - Host: What are we doing?
02:50 - Host: What is that? What is that playing right there? Who's...
02:53 - Pusha T: You're bootlegging us already? Right here? You can't even wait. You can't wait. But all right, cool.
02:58 - Host: So, if you know, you know. All right.
03:00 - Pusha T: Yeah.
03:01 - Host: How did that come together?
03:02 - Pusha T: If you know, you know. That was one of the first joints that me and Kanye did. I feel like it was probably... That might have been found in Utah somewhere.
03:16 - Host: That's Wyoming, is that?
03:17 - Pusha T: No.
03:18 - Host: Oh, okay.
03:18 - Pusha T: Y'all got two different places.
03:19 - Host: But didn't he remix the whole album at some point?
03:22 - Pusha T: Yes. Yes.
03:24 - Host: So, this is the first of the remix?
03:25 - Pusha T: Yeah, yeah. This is the first of like...
03:27 - Pusha T: Him going back and revamping the whole joint.
03:30 - Host: I'm about to redo this.
03:31 - Pusha T: Right, right, right. You know, people don't know that like the process in which I work with him is basically, I go and get my beats from everywhere. From everywhere else.
03:40 - Host: Yeah.
03:41 - Pusha T: Do it.
03:42 - Host: You do your joints.
03:43 - Pusha T: Yeah.
03:44 - Host: Boom.
03:45 - Pusha T: Bring it to him. Listen. This is my album. What you think?
03:50 - Host: Right. Right.
03:51 - Pusha T: We vibe with it for like two, three days. We riding around to it.
03:54 - Host: Right.
03:55 - Pusha T: You know. He's like, I think it's great. Like on the third day, he was like, yo, I think I can produce this way better though myself. Like, he's basically telling you, we're scrapping this whole album. So I was like, you think so? I was like, you know.
04:03 - Pusha T: Now mind you, just think about where he's at at this time. Because at this time, he's like, it's drama, it's, you know.
04:11 - Host: What's the time frame? Just so we know more or less.
04:13 - Pusha T: Man.
04:14 - Host: It's a...
04:15 - Host: The meltdown?
04:16 - Pusha T: Yeah.
04:17 - Host: Is the Donald Trump stuff there?
04:19 - Pusha T: No, no, no, no, no, no. It's the shows and the rants and...
04:23 - Host: Oh, so the tour era when he was doing, coming off the stage and all that.
04:27 - Pusha T: So when he was done with that, he was like, yo, you know, I think I could do a better myself. And I'm like, all right. Well, let's do it.
04:33 - Host: Give him his own bottle of Rosé. Come on.
04:35 - Pusha T: Goddamn.
04:36 - Pusha T: I'm like, all right, let's do it.
04:37 - Host: You keep it right over here. We ain't sharing Rosé.
04:39 - Pusha T: He was like, let's go to Utah. So we go to Utah or whatever.
04:43 - Host: Was Karl Malone there?
04:44 - Pusha T: No.
04:45 - Host: Okay.
04:46 - Pusha T: No, no, no.
04:47 - Pusha T: No, but Kobe was.
04:48 - Host: Kobe was.
04:49 - Pusha T: Kobe and Alexander Wayne.
04:51 - Host: Don't disrespect Karl Malone, but Kobe is way better.
04:54 - Pusha T: Yeah.
04:55 - Pusha T: Kobe and Alexander Wayne were there.
04:57 - Host: Hold on. Time off. Did you see how he just flew off? He's stunning. He's stunning.
05:02 - Pusha T: I'm telling you what it is.
05:03 - Host: You know what I always wondered? I always wondered if you sign the good music and like a stylist come with you.
05:08 - Pusha T: No. No.
05:10 - Host: Like Alexander Wayne, Potsal.
05:11 - Host: Let's see. And motherfucking, what's the guy? Jeremy Scott. You know what I'm saying?
05:15 - Pusha T: Yeah.
05:16 - Host: Like, but go ahead.
05:17 - Host: Wait, wait, wait. But real quick, but ain't you like, you're not just signing the good music. You're the president of the label.
05:21 - Pusha T: Yes. Yes.
05:23 - Host: Yes.
05:23 - Pusha T: I was signed first.
05:24 - Host: No, I know. I know. But I'm saying now at this point, this whole process.
05:27 - Pusha T: Right.
05:28 - Host: You're running the label as well.
05:29 - Pusha T: So you're at Utah for you know, you know.
05:30 - Pusha T: Yeah.
05:31 - Pusha T: So we in Utah and you know, we just cooking up, man.
05:34 - Host: Right.
05:35 - Pusha T: We just cooking up.
05:36 - Pusha T: You know, he was finding, basically finding his sound.
05:39 - Pusha T: So it was all just about my album.
05:41 - Pusha T: And at that time, between Utah, then Wyoming.
05:45 - Host: Right.
05:46 - Pusha T: We found, you know, a lot of my album.
05:48 - Pusha T: Found some of Tiana's album.
05:50 - Host: Mm.
05:51 - Pusha T: And then this is how all the seven, all these seven track albums are forming.
05:55 - Pusha T: Because then he's like, well, damn, I gotta make me one.
05:57 - Host: Mm.
05:58 - Pusha T: And then.
05:59 - Host: You pour something.
06:00 - Host: Right now, I'm sorry to cut you off. We got a salute to you. Come on, man.
06:03 - Host: For making that phenomenal body of work.
06:04 - Pusha T: Come on, thank you.
06:05 - Host: And fighting with a lion in the jungle. And to survive, god damn it. Come on, man.
06:09 - Host: Let's make some noises. Where's the tea, god damn it?
06:14 - Host: So where were you when Big Meech sprung the tigers in?
06:18 - Pusha T: Man. That was. You know. That was.
06:22 - Host: What did you say?
06:23 - Host: That's what he said on the door.
06:24 - Pusha T: Yeah, in the song.
06:25 - Host: When you were Big Meech sprung the tigers in.
06:26 - Pusha T: Oh, yes. Yes.
06:28 - Pusha T: You know, I was busy getting stripes like a tiger skin.
06:30 - Host: Mm.
06:31 - Pusha T: But it was like, I was basically saying in that line, like, Big Meech was the motivation.
06:34 - Host: Right.
06:35 - Pusha T: Back then for like.
06:36 - Host: A lot of people.
06:37 - Pusha T: If you was if you was outside, like trying to get to it.
06:40 - Host: Yeah.
06:41 - Pusha T: You hearing about these amazing parties.
06:44 - Pusha T: Shout out Hannah Kane.
06:45 - Pusha T: In Miami, they was killing it.
06:47 - Host: It was in Atlanta at this time.
06:49 - Pusha T: Right.
06:50 - Pusha T: You know, just about, you know, the elephants and the tigers and the lions or whatever.
06:54 - Pusha T: I've never been to one of those parties. I heard about it.
06:56 - Host: Me neither.
06:57 - Pusha T: Oh, you ain't been.
06:58 - Pusha T: That's my plan.
06:59 - Pusha T: That's why I was like, yo, where was y'all at when this was going on? Because I was just saying that was my inspiration. That was my motivation.
07:03 - Pusha T: I don't know what everybody else is motivated by, but that's what was moving me.
07:09 - Host: Oh, my God, man. So we're going to move on to the games we play.
07:14 - Pusha T: Right.
07:15 - Host: Okay.
07:16 - Host: And speak about that.
07:18 - Pusha T: Man, the games we play, it was just speaking about the competitive nature of like Hustlers. Like just speaking about how the competitive energy, like, you know what I'm saying?
07:29 - Pusha T: And then putting it in a club atmosphere, you know.
07:33 - Pusha T: Sometimes, like, man, I've been in this for 16 years.
07:37 - Host: For real.
07:38 - Host: Got to make some noise for that.
07:40 - Pusha T: You know, sometimes, sometimes I got to go seek out and find that energy.
07:48 - Host: You know what I'm saying?
07:49 - Pusha T: Find that.
07:50 - Host: Like when you found valet.
07:51 - Pusha T: Well, that's different.
07:52 - Host: Okay.
07:53 - Pusha T: I didn't find valet, but we can get into that too.
07:54 - Host: Okay, we can get into that.
07:55 - Pusha T: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
07:56 - Host: All right.
07:57 - Pusha T: I know myself.
07:58 - Host: Let's go.
07:59 - Pusha T: All right. But, yeah. But, you know, sometimes you got to go find that energy. I've lived through different eras. You know, different eras. Music has changed, so on and so forth.
08:06 - Host: Yeah.
08:07 - Pusha T: The industry's changed.
08:08 - Pusha T: As to what, the street energy always, to me, is what runs it. Like, it's that street energy that really sets it off.
08:16 - Pusha T: That's where you can go in and feel what's hot.
08:19 - Host: It's the foundation. You know what I'm saying?
08:21 - Host: Yeah.
08:22 - Host: You got to watch Summer Jam? Or you didn't get a chance?
08:24 - Pusha T: I didn't get to see it all. I've seen pieces of it. I've seen mixed reviews.
08:28 - Host: Well, I've seen the whole thing.
08:29 - Pusha T: Mm-hmm.
08:29 - Host: And to allude to what you were just saying, when Meek Mill came out.
08:33 - Pusha T: There you go.
08:34 - Host: I felt that energy.
08:35 - Pusha T: Of course.
08:36 - Host: You know, like, at the end of the day, um, you guys dropped three albums.
08:39 - Pusha T: Mm-hmm.
08:40 - Host: And I tell people, um, well, first off, uh, what's the shit?
08:44 - Host: Oh, kids see ghosts sometimes.
08:46 - Pusha T: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
08:47 - Host: Kids see ghosts sometimes.
08:48 - Pusha T: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
08:49 - Host: Spirit.
08:50 - Host: Is that Mos Def?
08:51 - Host: Sounds like that.
08:52 - Host: That got to be Mos Def, man.
08:53 - Host: Y'all see full y'all on us. Y'all ain't giving them as great.
08:55 - Host: I think it's Mos Def.
08:56 - Host: But anyway, that album, since that shit came out, I listen to it every morning, right?
09:00 - Pusha T: Mm-hmm.
09:01 - Host: So I said, these motherfuckers are made a morning, afternoon, and nighttime album for me.
09:05 - Pusha T: Okay.
09:06 - Host: Like, that's how I look at it.
09:07 - Host: Like, I listen to Ye in the afternoon, and then you know I got to go to you at nighttime. You know what I'm saying?
09:11 - Pusha T: Okay.
09:13 - Host: Okay, um, now, let's, so we, let me, let me get back. Let's stick with the album, because I don't want to, because I got so much shit.
09:20 - Pusha T: Yeah.
09:21 - Host: I got so much shit.
09:22 - Host: Come on.
09:23 - Host: So the games we played, we covered that already, right?
09:24 - Pusha T: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
09:25 - Host: Now, this one was kind of tricky for me, because you kept that, this is what I was saying earlier, the Meek Mill thing. Like, I identify with your album.
09:35 - Host: Like, I can sit there and visualize your album.
09:38 - Host: The album is a book slash a movie to me, because I see every single thing that you're saying, because I can identify, I can relate to it in some way.
09:46 - Pusha T: Yeah.
09:47 - Host: Another person who I can identify and relate with is Rick Ross.
09:49 - Pusha T: Yeah.
09:50 - Host: So you guys collaborated on it, because this is, this is a seven piece body that works, so you, you have to be very selective of who.
09:56 - Pusha T: For sure.
09:57 - Host: And why are you going to pick these people.
09:58 - Pusha T: For sure.
09:59 - Host: So why was Rick Ross?
10:00 - Host: Before we get into that particular record, why Rick Ross?
10:01 - Pusha T: Because Rick Ross is one of the only rappers that I can give a beat to. I give him my beat, and I give him my verse, and I can turn my back on that situation.
10:10 - Host: And you know he's going to deliver.
10:11 - Pusha T: And I know he's going to deliver.
10:12 - Host: Yeah.
10:13 - Pusha T: Period.
10:14 - Pusha T: Like, he going to say everything, on topic, on par. He going, you know, he, listen, I have been saying, I have been saying, your money's going every other month.
10:28 - Pusha T: Like, that's what he, that was a bar in his verse with mine.
10:33 - Pusha T: And I'm just thinking to myself, man, that is the illest way to call somebody broke as a motherfucker. Your money's going every other month.
10:41 - Pusha T: Like, and it's simple, concise, but it gets to the point.
10:46 - Pusha T: And I'm like, man, you know, you know, you know, sometimes, sometimes, like, you know, I'm rapping and I'm, I may over-rap, but then you need that dichotomy for him to just nail shit like that, and he kills it.
10:59 - Host: Let's make some noise for dichotomy, guys. Lyrics!
11:03 - Host: That was hard.
11:04 - Host: You know I'm Googling that later. Like, what?
11:07 - Host: Dichotomy?
11:08 - Host: That's how it is.
11:10 - Host: He's spitting right now.
11:12 - Host: Yo, yo. Yo, so, alright, cool.
11:14 - Host: So now, you guys work on this record. Boom.
11:17 - Host: How does this come about?
11:18 - Pusha T: Um, no, actually, he was in, he was in Africa. Ross was in Africa.
11:23 - Pusha T: And I was, um, I had said everything I wanted to say on, in that verse.
11:30 - Pusha T: And I was like, damn, it was feeling whack to me writing another verse. I was like, man, I'm just, I'm just running on rapping.
11:37 - Host: Right.
11:38 - Pusha T: I was like, man, let me reach out to the go-to, to Ross. And, um, he was actually in Africa. And they were just like, yo, send it over. We're gonna knock that shit out. And he said, I swear to God, he sent it back in two days.
11:49 - Host: Mmm.
11:50 - Host: In Africa.
11:51 - Pusha T: Yeah, I believe he was in Africa.
11:52 - Host: He found a hit factory in Zamunda.
11:53 - Pusha T: He had to.
11:54 - Host: In Wakanda.
11:55 - Pusha T: He found a circle house.
11:56 - Host: Yeah.
11:57 - Host: God damn it.
11:58 - Host: Make some noise for Rick Ross. God damn it.
12:00 - Host: Dream Champs alumni.
12:01 - Host: So, and let me, let me just also say something that I appreciate as a lat, as a, as a Latino man. Like, you, that's a lot of Latin influence. The Santeria joint.
12:10 - Pusha T: We gotta get to that.
12:11 - Host: Chill.
12:12 - Host: Come on.
12:13 - Pusha T: You rushing the album now, man.
12:14 - Host: I'm Cuban, man. I'm Cuban, man. I'm Cuban, man.
12:17 - Host: So, Come Back Baby.
12:18 - Pusha T: Right.
12:19 - Host: Okay.
12:20 - Host: Now let's get into that one.
12:21 - Pusha T: Yo, Come Back Baby, um, Come Back Baby, like, you think about it. I hadn't put out an album in three years.
12:25 - Host: Mm-hmm.
12:26 - Host: I can't wait, cause we gonna talk about that too.
12:27 - Pusha T: Mm-hmm.
12:28 - Host: Okay.
12:29 - Host: We're gonna talk about it as far as that goes as well.
12:30 - Pusha T: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
12:31 - Host: We've been waiting for this.
12:32 - Pusha T: Yeah.
12:33 - Host: It's a long time.
12:34 - Pusha T: Let me tell you something.
12:35 - Pusha T: It's three years exactly.
12:36 - Host: Before you sparred with Drake, you were still one of the most, um, um, requested guests from here.
12:39 - Pusha T: Okay.
12:40 - Host: Because I guess the people, you know, they, they want that, they want these stories for these people that-
12:43 - Pusha T: Yeah.
12:44 - Host: And your brother.
12:45 - Host: And your brother as well.
12:46 - Host: And your brother.
12:47 - Pusha T: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
12:48 - Host: But go ahead, get to you.
12:49 - Pusha T: So, so, so, you know, with Come Back Baby, it was like, boom. Yay had appointed me president of good music.
12:52 - Host: Mm.
12:53 - Pusha T: Um, at the same time, I was doing this prison reform.
12:56 - Host: Mm.
12:59 - Host: And Kim Kardashian, by the way, for, um, helping let that lady go.
13:02 - Pusha T: We up?
13:03 - Host: Trying to figure that out.
13:04 - Pusha T: Okay.
13:05 - Pusha T: As well as, um, Obama was still in office.
13:06 - Host: Mm.
13:07 - Pusha T: Going to, you know, the White House every so often.
13:09 - Host: Mm.
13:10 - Pusha T: I wasn't doing music. Period.
13:12 - Host: Mm.
13:13 - Host: Living off them good music checks, goddammit.
13:15 - Pusha T: Yeah, yeah.
13:16 - Host: Goddammit.
13:17 - Host: You seen that?
13:18 - Host: A lot of people can't say that.
13:19 - Pusha T: I ain't doing music.
13:20 - Host: Go ahead.
13:21 - Pusha T: And, um, you know, it went from, you know, I put out, I put out an album, executive produced by Puff, called Darkest Before Dawn.
13:30 - Host: Oh, wow.
13:31 - Pusha T: And people were like, yo, you know, you know, you just hear that, you know, with social media, you get all the critiques. It's like, man, he's still talking about dope. Ah, whatever. Boom, boom.
13:40 - Pusha T: I was like, okay, cool.
13:42 - Pusha T: I didn't put out no music.
13:43 - Pusha T: I was doing these other separate projects.
13:46 - Host: Right.
13:47 - Pusha T: And, um, you know, as time went on, it was like, damn, I damn sure could use some coke rap right now.
13:53 - Pusha T: I could use some dope.
13:55 - Pusha T: Like, you know, and this is what people were saying.
13:57 - Pusha T: And I'm like, damn, just look.
13:59 - Pusha T: Just last year, y'all were saying, you know, it was too much of that.
14:03 - Pusha T: Whatever.
14:04 - Pusha T: Come back, baby.
14:05 - Pusha T: This the fix you need.
14:06 - Pusha T: Like, that was the whole premise behind the song.
14:08 - Host: You need that hit.
14:09 - Pusha T: You need that hit, yeah.
14:10 - Host: And you feel like this is your purple tape?
14:12 - Pusha T: Yes.
14:13 - Host: I feel like you did this, too.
14:14 - Pusha T: 100%.
14:15 - Host: I feel like this is, too.
14:17 - Host: Like, um, for those that don't know, uh, the purple tape controlled a summer.
14:22 - Host: There's a lot of people that might not know the youngest.
14:24 - Host: And I don't want to say controlled the summer of New York City because it controlled the summer of hip-hop.
14:28 - Pusha T: Nah, all of them.
14:29 - Host: Like, Wu-Tang was the first group that you knew where they was from, but they transitioned.
14:32 - Pusha T: They transcended, yeah.
14:34 - Host: Transcended, yeah. Like, you know, where they was, and that purple tape.
14:36 - Host: So when he said, he said, I am your ray and ghost. This is my purple tape.
14:41 - Host: I was like, oh.
14:42 - Host: Purple tape is a symbol in hip-hop. I don't know if everybody gets it, but I want to, it's a symbol.
14:45 - Host: It's a symbol for excellence in hip-hop. It's a symbol for excellence, I think.
14:47 - Pusha T: Yeah, yeah.
14:48 - Host: That's my opinion.
14:49 - Pusha T: The purple tape is the holy grail, like, of an album to me.
14:52 - Host: Excellence.
14:53 - Host: Excellence in hip-hop.
14:54 - Pusha T: Yeah.
14:55 - Host: Did you speak their way or ghost?
14:56 - Pusha T: No. Uh-uh.
14:58 - Host: They're proud of you.
14:59 - Pusha T: Yeah, I think they are.
15:00 - Host: They're proud of you. Trust me.
15:02 - Pusha T: I was trying.
15:03 - Host: I think that's, yeah.
15:04 - Host: Yeah, they're proud of you.
15:05 - Host: And just to give some insight on the whole purple tape concept.
15:07 - Host: Right.
15:08 - Pusha T: When we were, um, by the time, you know, like I said, this shit was done between Utah and Wyoming.
15:13 - Host: Mm-hmm.
15:14 - Pusha T: More so Wyoming.
15:15 - Host: Right.
15:16 - Pusha T: By the time I got to Wyoming, Ye was like, yo, make a list of like 25 records that you just love.
15:21 - Pusha T: And man, I'm like, Glaciers of Ice, fucking Incarcerated Scarface. There's just certain things.
15:27 - Host: Oh, he said records that you love that like other people.
15:30 - Pusha T: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Other people.
15:32 - Pusha T: And so then we go through that list.
15:34 - Host: He's picking elements from those records that you love?
15:37 - Pusha T: We would just listen to that list.
15:39 - Pusha T: And he'd be like, that's the feeling we need.
15:42 - Pusha T: We need that feeling right there.
15:44 - Pusha T: Like, if it don't hit like this, then it don't make it.
15:47 - Pusha T: So then we take some of them off.
15:48 - Host: Damn, I see the science behind this.
15:49 - Pusha T: And then, you know, by the time we finish the list, the list probably will be about 10 out of 25.
15:53 - Pusha T: Now, mind you, I had my list of 25.
15:55 - Pusha T: He had his own list of 25.
15:57 - Pusha T: Engineer might have had a list of 25.
15:59 - Host: What's his list of 25 if you don't mind?
16:01 - Pusha T: A couple records.
16:02 - Pusha T: Man, I mean, I remember Devil's Pie, D'Angelo.
16:05 - Host: Yeah, yeah.
16:06 - Host: With Premiere, yep.
16:07 - Pusha T: Devil's Pie.
16:08 - Host: Yeah.
16:09 - Host: The DJ Premier joint?
16:10 - Host: Woo!
16:11 - Host: That's off on the belly soundtrack.
16:12 - Host: Lauren Inspired stuff.
16:14 - Pusha T: Yeah.
16:15 - Host: Miseducation stuff.
16:16 - Pusha T: Yeah.
16:17 - Pusha T: Mine was really, was Heavy, RZA, Glaciers, Incarcerated Scarfaces.
16:24 - Pusha T: I mean, you know.
16:25 - Pusha T: And, you know, that's how we built the, at least the feeling of the album.
16:30 - Pusha T: That's what we was trying to go for.
16:32 - Host: That's a dope, that's a dope concept and way to put together now.
16:35 - Host: No, that's ill.
16:36 - Host: That's ill.
16:37 - Host: I remember Pharrell used to do something similar like that to me.
16:39 - Host: He used to make me listen to records.
16:40 - Host: Like, I remember, I said this story.
16:43 - Host: I don't know if I ever said it on a podcast.
16:45 - Host: But I remember Fabulous's Hollaback Youngin was actually my record.
16:50 - Pusha T: Originally?
16:51 - Host: It definitely was.
16:52 - Host: And it was, it was, it was, but it was Ice Ice Baby.
16:56 - Host: That was Vanilla's Ice.
16:57 - Host: So he told me, you gotta listen to Ice Ice Baby.
16:59 - Pusha T: Oh, it was like your version of it.
17:00 - Host: Yeah, but listen, now listen to it.
17:02 - Host: Hollaback Youngin.
17:03 - Pusha T: No, no, absolutely, absolutely.
17:04 - Host: Hollaback Youngin, now listen to Ice Ice, Ice Baby.
17:07 - Host: Dude, it's the same thing, but I was like, he was a genius.
17:11 - Host: Cause I was like, but I just hated Ice Ice Baby at that time so much.
17:14 - Host: All of hip hop hated Ice Ice Baby.
17:16 - Pusha T: No, no, no, no.
17:17 - Host: This was like when he was becoming cool again.
17:19 - Pusha T: I don't think that record ever got cool.
17:21 - Host: But I think, no, Ice Ice Baby is cool, man.
17:23 - Pusha T: Nah, nah, nah.
17:24 - Host: Come on, people, there's someone in here who jumps in they 5.0.
17:28 - Pusha T: Wow.
17:29 - Pusha T: The only thing that's cool about that record is some records right now, we look at stuff and be like, damn, this record's better than that record.
17:36 - Host: That's real.
17:37 - Host: That's real.
17:38 - Host: Oh, man.
17:39 - Host: All right, so boom.
17:40 - Host: Never trust a bitch who finds love in a camera.
17:46 - Host: We need to understand.
17:48 - Host: She will fuck you, then turn around and fuck a janitor.
17:51 - Host: Woo!
17:52 - Host: But what are we saying?
17:53 - Host: Because this new generation, you gotta explain to them, Porsche.
17:56 - Host: You gotta explain to them that.
17:57 - Pusha T: I'm just saying, like, you know, I feel like...
17:59 - Host: The chicks that's in the club like that, they gotta relax.
18:01 - Pusha T: No, I'm just saying if the attention, if the attention is, uh, they're that attention hungry.
18:08 - Pusha T: Like, always.
18:09 - Pusha T: And if you can find love in that, you know, as soon as you, if they can get that attention from anywhere, they'll take it from anywhere.
18:18 - Pusha T: They'll take it from anywhere.
18:19 - Pusha T: And, you know, it's not, it's no, uh, it's no, it's no ranking level.
18:24 - Pusha T: Just wherever they get the attention from, that's where they gonna take it.
18:28 - Pusha T: So it can be, you know, you know, you think that you, you know, young millionaire out here.
18:33 - Host: Right.
18:34 - Pusha T: Doing your thing.
18:35 - Host: You know what I'm saying?
18:36 - Pusha T: Or, you know, streets, you know, whatever it is.
18:37 - Host: Right.
18:38 - Pusha T: Balling, whatever.
18:39 - Host: Right.
18:40 - Pusha T: It doesn't matter.
18:41 - Host: Like, one day I went to a, um, a restaurant and I see two guys and I see two girls, but the two girls the whole time were like this.
18:49 - Pusha T: Mm-hmm.
18:50 - Host: They were, they filmed, like, it was like a reality show.
18:52 - Pusha T: Mm-hmm.
18:53 - Host: Like, so whoever wasn't there, they were there as well, on this date with them.
18:56 - Host: And I looked and I was like, how fun could that be?
18:58 - Host: Like, you sit in there, you just meet these chicks and they wanna, wanna like, you know, document everything that's actually going down.
19:04 - Host: So that's what I, I, I figured that should be meant, something like that.
19:07 - Pusha T: You ain't see, I'm not trying to plug this show, but...
19:09 - Pusha T: Uh-huh.
19:10 - Pusha T: Uh, Paris Hilton got a show on Vice now, where it's exposing, like, people trying to be popular through social media.
19:16 - Pusha T: Oh, wow.
19:17 - Host: And it's Paris, it's Paris Hilton doing it.
19:18 - Pusha T: Wow.
19:19 - Host: I think it's Hollywood something. But it's, it's kinda ill.
19:21 - Host: It, it caught my attention.
19:22 - Pusha T: That's ill. That's ill.
19:24 - Host: Okay, now.
19:25 - Host: We moving on.
19:26 - Host: You drinking?
19:27 - Host: We still drinking?
19:28 - Host: We still drinking?
19:29 - Host: Okay, man.
19:30 - Host: Cheers.
19:31 - Pusha T: God damn it.
19:32 - Host: Okay, now, Santaria.
19:33 - Host: Now, as a Spanish person, I used to be scared to even say that.
19:36 - Pusha T: Yeah.
19:37 - Host: Dead serious.
19:38 - Host: Like, you gotta be like, you gotta be like, for real, like to even say, cause they say that you, even when you say it, it invites the spirits.
19:44 - Pusha T: Yeah.
19:45 - Host: Nah, man.
19:46 - Host: It's not that bad.
19:47 - Host: Listen, man, I'm Puerto Rican.
19:48 - Host: You said I wanted my record.
19:49 - Host: You did a record for me.
19:50 - Host: I was scared to death then.
19:51 - Host: And you did it, and you, and you said a lyric.
19:53 - Host: I don't know if you knew, but you said a lyric that was sounded here.
19:55 - Pusha T: I mean, I was trying to be hard.
19:56 - Host: I was trying to be hard.
19:57 - Host: You said I wrote your name on a piece of paper.
19:59 - Host: I told you.
20:00 - Host: I told you I froze a motherfucker, and you said it in the lyrics.
20:03 - Pusha T: I was trying to be hard, but I was always aware. I was aware.
20:06 - Host: So, how do you come with that?
20:08 - Host: Because, obviously, you have Spanish friends.
20:10 - Host: Obviously, you have Spanish influence around you.
20:12 - Host: But, so, you had to know, like, because that's like, really, really, that's really, like, you know.
20:17 - Pusha T: And shout out to the Haitians, too.
20:18 - Pusha T: That's my, that's my, that's probably my favorite record on the album.
20:23 - Host: Santaria.
20:24 - Pusha T: And, you know.
20:26 - Host: The singer signed a good music, right?
20:28 - Pusha T: Yes.
20:29 - Host: Her name is Shake.
20:30 - Pusha T: Yeah.
20:31 - Host: She's all over Kanye's album, yeah.
20:33 - Pusha T: Yup.
20:34 - Pusha T: But, that record was made after the death of my role manager.
20:41 - Pusha T: My role manager got killed.
20:42 - Host: Yeah.
20:43 - Host: Oh, God bless.
20:44 - Pusha T: So, just to give you the back story of, like, just where my mind was at.
20:49 - Host: Yeah.
20:50 - Pusha T: So, you know, basically, we were on the road.
20:53 - Pusha T: It's time to make the album, so we get off the road.
20:55 - Pusha T: And just show you the type of guy he is.
20:57 - Pusha T: So, he's, like, my role manager, tour manager, that's what he does.
21:01 - Pusha T: His name is Day Day.
21:02 - Host: Mm-hmm.
21:03 - Host: God bless Day Day.
21:04 - Pusha T: Yeah, for sure.
21:05 - Pusha T: And, he ended up going as a roadie for Nicki Minaj.
21:13 - Host: Mm-hmm.
21:14 - Pusha T: So, they're on the road.
21:16 - Pusha T: You know, the way I got it, I think they were going, just going to get something to eat.
21:22 - Host: Mm-hmm.
21:23 - Pusha T: And, simple, I mean, nonsense altercation, he ends up getting stabbed and ends up dying.
21:32 - Host: Wow.
21:33 - Pusha T: And, uh...
21:34 - Host: On the road with Nicki?
21:35 - Pusha T: Yeah.
21:36 - Host: Wow.
21:37 - Pusha T: Like, crazy.
21:38 - Host: Like, chant shit.
21:39 - Pusha T: And now, the twist about it is, like, he's a church kid.
21:43 - Host: Mm-hmm.
21:44 - Pusha T: So, like, this is, like...
21:46 - Pusha T: You know, I used to curse him out, like, every day.
21:48 - Pusha T: Like, just, you know, just bugging.
21:50 - Host: Right.
21:51 - Pusha T: But, I used to, like...
21:52 - Pusha T: You know, we had a really good relationship, and I gave him, really, his first shot at being, like, you know, a role manager.
21:59 - Pusha T: Like, I got him from Pharrell.
22:01 - Pusha T: He used to work with N.E.R.D., Rhodey, Rhodey, Rhodey.
22:03 - Pusha T: I was like, nah, come on, you about to be...
22:06 - Pusha T: Let's raise it up.
22:08 - Host: Wow.
22:09 - Pusha T: He was great at it.
22:10 - Pusha T: And, he used to put together my band.
22:12 - Pusha T: And, I used to be like, man, why ain't my band together this and that?
22:14 - Pusha T: He got his name.
22:15 - Host: When you say band, you say a musical band.
22:16 - Pusha T: Live music.
22:17 - Host: Not your money.
22:18 - Pusha T: Live music, yeah.
22:19 - Pusha T: He used to take guys from the church and, you know, just, you know, put my band together.
22:25 - Pusha T: So, he wasn't a rah-rah dude.
22:27 - Host: That's basically what you're saying.
22:28 - Pusha T: At all.
22:29 - Pusha T: That's what I'm trying to just give you the whole thing.
22:31 - Pusha T: So, my mind, at the time, was on some, like, okay, the first line.
22:38 - Pusha T: Now that the tears dry and the pain takes over, let's talk this payola.
22:42 - Pusha T: You killed God's baby and it wasn't his will and blood spilled.
22:45 - Pusha T: We can't talk this shit over.
22:47 - Pusha T: You know, and it's like, man, you know, me being in the position I am, in the position of music, money, having things, and just the opportunity to be like, I can call that shot.
23:00 - Pusha T: Like, you know, and it's that tug of war of like, damn, you know, do you really, do you do this?
23:06 - Pusha T: Do you play with this?
23:07 - Pusha T: Do you go that route?
23:08 - Pusha T: Do you go that route?
23:09 - Pusha T: You can.
23:10 - Pusha T: You want to.
23:11 - Pusha T: You're angry.
23:12 - Pusha T: But then it derails everything.
23:13 - Host: Right.
23:14 - Pusha T: You know what I'm saying?
23:15 - Pusha T: And it's like, then you think about him and it's like, man, they didn't want that.
23:18 - Pusha T: He wouldn't want that.
23:19 - Pusha T: You know what I'm saying?
23:20 - Pusha T: And it's like.
23:21 - Host: That's real.
23:22 - Host: That's real.
23:23 - Pusha T: It was a whole, yeah, I didn't live with that well.
23:28 - Host: Yeah.
23:29 - Pusha T: I still don't live with that well, actually.
23:30 - Host: And that's how you came with Santeria.
23:32 - Pusha T: Exactly.
23:33 - Host: Right.
23:34 - Pusha T: Because I'm playing the priest.
23:35 - Host: Right.
23:36 - Pusha T: The whole song I'm playing, you know.
23:37 - Pusha T: And Santeria is a tug of war between the religion.
23:40 - Host: Yeah.
23:41 - Pusha T: So it's like, you know, I'm like calling the shots as a priest.
23:45 - Host: Okay.
23:46 - Host: Okay.
23:47 - Host: Now this one was, the title for me was a shot.
23:49 - Pusha T: Mm-hmm.
23:50 - Host: What would me do?
23:51 - Host: Right.
23:52 - Pusha T: Because I would throw it.
23:53 - Host: I would throw it.
23:54 - Host: With Ye on it.
23:55 - Host: I thought it would be, what would Rihanna do?
23:57 - Pusha T: What?
23:58 - Host: What?
23:59 - Host: I don't know.
24:00 - Host: Where'd that come from?
24:01 - Host: I don't know.
24:02 - Host: I didn't know.
24:03 - Host: I didn't know.
24:06 - Host: With Meek, it just, it threw me off for a loop.
24:06 - Host: What's up?
24:07 - Host: Y'all ducking down cameras over there?
24:09 - Host: Yeah.
24:10 - Host: So this threw me for a loop.
24:11 - Host: What would Meek do?
24:12 - Host: The title.
24:13 - Host: What made you pick that title?
24:14 - Host: And you're obviously talking about Meek.
24:16 - Pusha T: Yeah, Meek Mill.
24:17 - Host: Okay.
24:18 - Pusha T: You know, Meek, Meek is somebody I wanted on the album.
24:23 - Host: Right.
24:24 - Pusha T: Meek was in jail when we made the record.
24:27 - Host: Yeah.
24:28 - Pusha T: As I got that beat, I was like, man.
24:32 - Pusha T: You know, Big Sean and Meek had a record called Burn.
24:35 - Host: Burn.
24:36 - Pusha T: That I always wish that I had.
24:38 - Host: Big Sean, you gotta come up here.
24:39 - Pusha T: That's one record that I wanted to have just for myself.
24:42 - Host: Right.
24:43 - Pusha T: And I was like, damn, man. I wish Meek was out so that I could do this record with Meek. He wasn't out, nothing.
24:51 - Pusha T: And I like to call Meek, what do you call him?
24:55 - Host: The spirit?
24:56 - Host: The spirit animal?
24:57 - Pusha T: Okay.
24:58 - Pusha T: Like, you know, like Meek to me at, I don't know how old he is.
25:06 - Host: Yeah.
25:07 - Pusha T: It's what I feel like, you know, it's what I don't do at my age.
25:12 - Host: Right.
25:13 - Host: Where'd you come from?
25:14 - Host: Yeah.
25:15 - Pusha T: But it's what I, what inspires me.
25:16 - Host: Right.
25:17 - Pusha T: Like, I look at Meek and I'm like, you know, you, all your homeboys.
25:20 - Pusha T: Like, you get it.
25:21 - Host: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:22 - Pusha T: Everybody who came in, everybody who I came into the game with was locked up since 09. We came in 02.
25:29 - Pusha T: That, I didn't, I didn't get to run around, you know, 50 deep and, you know, just bring, bring everybody with me, have a blast.
25:37 - Pusha T: Well, I mean, we did for a little bit, but you know, they ended up going to jail. Boom.
25:42 - Pusha T: I look at Meek and I'm like, damn, Meek, I know all the fun that you having right now. I love it.
25:46 - Pusha T: Like it's, and I look at it and it inspires me.
25:48 - Pusha T: So, I said, um, I wanted him on the record.
25:52 - Pusha T: He didn't, he didn't get on the record.
25:53 - Pusha T: Of course, he was in jail.
25:55 - Pusha T: Um, and that line came up.
25:59 - Pusha T: Angel on my shoulder. What should we do? Devil on the other. What would Meek do? Papa Willie. Tell the judge to Ocinelli. Middle fingers out the ghost. Screaming Machiavelli. Come with me.
26:09 - Pusha T: You know, like, and I was just, I was just trying to embody and harness that whole energy.
26:15 - Host: Right.
26:16 - Pusha T: Cause I felt like it was someplace where he belonged.
26:19 - Pusha T: Like I, I still to this day believe, believe he belonged on that.
26:22 - Pusha T: And then he gets out of jail.
26:24 - Host: Right.
26:25 - Pusha T: And I was like, man, like.
26:26 - Host: As this project comes out.
26:27 - Pusha T: Listen, he gets, he gets out of jail as the project comes out.
26:30 - Host: That's crazy.
26:31 - Pusha T: We, we DMing back and forth.
26:34 - Pusha T: Like, uh, we, we have birthdays that are close.
26:36 - Host: In fact, I got a record with you and Meek together.
26:38 - Pusha T: Yup.
26:39 - Host: Let's make some noise for Meek.
26:40 - Host: That's the judge interview.
26:43 - Host: That's the judge interview.
26:45 - Host: Go ahead and continue.
26:46 - Pusha T: We have a, we have a, we have a, we have birthdays similar and I, but in his son's birthday, me and his son share the same birthday.
26:53 - Host: Oh wow.
26:54 - Pusha T: In May.
26:55 - Host: Wow.
26:56 - Pusha T: And, um, but he just got out and I couldn't bring myself to ask him to be on the record.
27:00 - Host: Yeah, I know.
27:01 - Pusha T: Cause he was just like, I was like, man, I ain't doing it.
27:03 - Host: Nah, nah.
27:04 - Host: That's improper.
27:05 - Pusha T: And, um, and we didn't do it and hopefully we, we do something soon.
27:08 - Pusha T: I'm not sure we will.
27:09 - Host: Yeah, nah, of course.
27:10 - Pusha T: That's where that whole energy came from.
27:13 - Host: Did rappers really ruin protects?
27:15 - Pusha T: Yeah.
27:16 - Host: I believe so too.
27:17 - Host: I believe that.
27:18 - Host: I believe that.
27:18 - Host: I mean, like right now people are making you feel like if you don't have a protect, you're not even in the game.
27:23 - Pusha T: Had to find other ways to invest.
27:25 - Host: Well, I'm not gonna lie.
27:26 - Host: Cause you rappers found every way to ruin protects.
27:28 - Host: I'm not gonna lie.
27:29 - Host: And a lot of these guys, they got the stainless.
27:32 - Host: It's cool.
27:33 - Host: We don't mind.
27:34 - Host: It's fine.
27:35 - Host: But, um, yeah, I don't think-
27:37 - Host: You know, I'm-
27:38 - Host: Is it protects a fad?
27:39 - Host: Is it a fad?
27:40 - Host: Is it a fad?
27:41 - Host: Is it a fad?
27:42 - Pusha T: No, see, this is the thing with me.
27:43 - Host: What's it called?
27:44 - Host: A fad?
27:45 - Host: Fad?
27:46 - Host: Fad?
27:47 - Host: Is it a fad?
27:48 - Host: You can run a fade on a fad.
27:49 - Pusha T: I'm not into the fad, like, I'm not really into the fad of watches.
27:52 - Pusha T: Like, I'm into watches and I'm into Rolexes.
27:56 - Host: No, you're into watches.
27:57 - Pusha T: I'm gonna be honest.
27:58 - Host: I looked at all your interviews.
27:59 - Host: Rolexes are timeless though.
28:00 - Pusha T: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:01 - Host: Different joints too.
28:02 - Pusha T: But I'm in it just because I'm in it like that and for that particular brand because of just what that always meant.
28:11 - Pusha T: That always meant, like, a status symbol of coming up.
28:14 - Host: Of course.
28:15 - Pusha T: But it was always, once I got deeper, it was like, okay, boom, you know, you get the green card with this, like, new factory.
28:21 - Host: You gotta get the green card.
28:22 - Host: You gotta have your name on that green card too.
28:24 - Host: Right.
28:25 - Pusha T: Because it'll be somebody else's name on that green card.
28:27 - Pusha T: That means that your shit is pre-owned, brother.
28:29 - Host: Right.
28:30 - Host: I'm sorry.
28:31 - Host: You play all of that.
28:32 - Host: We don't know that.
28:33 - Host: I'm sorry.
28:34 - Host: None of us know that.
28:35 - Host: We're poor.
28:36 - Pusha T: I'm sorry.
28:37 - Pusha T: I'm sorry.
28:38 - Pusha T: And so, you know, the whole Patek line is just, man, you know, rapping is about bragging.
28:43 - Pusha T: It's about having that, you know, it's about that competitive spirit.
28:46 - Pusha T: At some point, always.
28:47 - Pusha T: And, you know, you gotta one up somebody.
28:49 - Host: Yep.
28:50 - Pusha T: Like, 4.0 versus 4.6.
28:51 - Host: But you always pronouncing some shit that we can't even pronounce.
28:55 - Host: You always like-
28:56 - Pusha T: It's called lyrics.
28:57 - Pusha T: It's called lyrics, man.
28:58 - Host: No, no, no.
28:59 - Host: You always hear it.
29:00 - Host: Like, I'm rocking the-
29:01 - Host: What the fuck did this nigga just say?
29:04 - Pusha T: Listen.
29:05 - Host: Like, yo.
29:06 - Pusha T: But you know why that is?
29:07 - Pusha T: Because when, you know, when I was, you know, being a fan of, like, Hov and things like that, man, I didn't know.
29:16 - Pusha T: I'm wearing polo, Snow Beach.
29:18 - Pusha T: He talking about Versace.
29:19 - Pusha T: I don't even know what this is.
29:20 - Pusha T: I'm like, what is this?
29:21 - Host: Was that rap helped you, like, go to these other worlds?
29:24 - Pusha T: Yeah.
29:25 - Host: Because I go on your Instagram sometimes, and you be posing, like, with people where I be like, I don't know who the fuck this nigga is.
29:30 - Host: Right?
29:31 - Host: But he look important.
29:32 - Pusha T: Right.
29:32 - Host: He look important because the way you describe him, I'm like, I gotta act like I know this guy too.
29:37 - Pusha T: Yo.
29:38 - Host: You know what I'm saying?
29:39 - Host: Like, is that the further you go?
29:41 - Host: Like, is different taste?
29:43 - Host: Because, like, right now, I love Gucci, right?
29:47 - Host: I'm a Gucci man.
29:48 - Host: But if I go to the Gucci store, I promise you, by the time I leave this jacket and I come out there, 50 Cent is gonna have a picture of the same exact jacket I'm on.
29:55 - Pusha T: Right.
29:56 - Host: And then I go back and, you know, two weeks later, I gotta get another jacket and Fat Joe's gonna have the same exact jacket.
30:03 - Pusha T: Right.
30:04 - Host: But it's these different brands.
30:05 - Host: Like, even when Goyard, like, when Goyard first came out, I didn't identify with it.
30:09 - Host: Look, I thought it was an imitation.
30:11 - Host: Then I realized that they had their own shoe.
30:13 - Pusha T: Right, right, right.
30:14 - Host: Right, right, right.
30:14 - Host: So, like, how is it to discover these brands that people like the hood don't know?
30:19 - Pusha T: Man, you know, I feel like-
30:21 - Host: Well, not the hood.
30:22 - Host: Normal people don't know.
30:23 - Pusha T: Well, you know, this is the thing.
30:25 - Pusha T: I felt like, man, when I think about hip hop and I think about Slick Rick, I feel like, man, he was like the flyest ever to me.
30:33 - Pusha T: Like, it's Gucci, it's this, you got the Louis Vuitton pouch with the gun in it.
30:37 - Pusha T: Like, I'm fucked up.
30:39 - Pusha T: I'm like, yo, this is- but that's what I've always thought hip hop was.
30:43 - Pusha T: It was like, man, you gotta come back to the block and be like, look, this is what I'm on.
30:48 - Pusha T: You ain't on this.
30:50 - Pusha T: And then somebody got a one-up you and so on and so forth.
30:52 - Pusha T: And that's how I look at rap.
30:54 - Pusha T: That's how I look at rap.
30:55 - Host: What's those sneakers you had on with Colin Kaepernick?
30:57 - Host: I've been trying to figure that out.
30:58 - Pusha T: Dior.
30:59 - Host: Okay.
31:00 - Host: My bad.
31:01 - Host: Let's make some noise with him flossing again.
31:02 - Host: Christian Dior.
31:03 - Pusha T: No, no.
31:04 - Pusha T: That's not the floss.
31:05 - Pusha T: Listen, the real floss is Dior's dressing all of us for my wedding.
31:09 - Pusha T: That's the real floss.
31:10 - Host: Yeah.
31:11 - Pusha T: That's the real shit.
31:12 - Host: Let me talk real shit.
31:15 - Host: Like, real shit.
31:16 - Pusha T: Okay.
31:17 - Pusha T: Real shit.
31:18 - Pusha T: Kim Jones, really.
31:19 - Host: Okay, I didn't even know you could do shit like that, my guy.
31:22 - Pusha T: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
31:23 - Host: Custom.
31:24 - Pusha T: Custom.
31:25 - Host: Custom.
31:26 - Host: Make some noise for pushing T getting that money, goddamn.
31:28 - Host: Yo.
31:29 - Host: So we're talking the fashion, but lyrically, who inspired you, like, going back, as far as back as you can go lyrically?
31:38 - Pusha T: Lyrically, um, you know, big is GOAT God level.
31:43 - Pusha T: There's nothing to talk about.
31:46 - Host: Right.
31:47 - Pusha T: To me.
31:48 - Pusha T: Um, Hove, of course.
31:49 - Pusha T: Nas, of course.
31:50 - Host: Right.
31:51 - Pusha T: I mean, you know, Mobb Deep ruined my whole life.
31:54 - Host: Right.
31:55 - Pusha T: Like, my whole life.
31:56 - Pusha T: Like, ruined my whole why.
32:02 - Host: Step outside because of this.
32:04 - Pusha T: Mm.
32:05 - Host: Because they're talking like this.
32:06 - Pusha T: Mm.
32:07 - Host: I didn't even think people did shit off of music.
32:08 - Pusha T: Yeah.
32:09 - Host: Right.
32:10 - Pusha T: I'm one of them kids.
32:11 - Pusha T: I fucked up.
32:12 - Host: Right.
32:13 - Pusha T: You know.
32:14 - Pusha T: Like, um, yo, um.
32:17 - Host: Was there anybody locally, like, where you were at that inspired you too, as well?
32:21 - Pusha T: Man, you know, um, what, what, where I'm from, um, man, let me tell y'all some real shit.
32:28 - Pusha T: Just so you understand, like, where it is that I'm from.
32:31 - Pusha T: Like, Pharrell grew up one mile away from my house.
32:35 - Pusha T: Not even a mile.
32:36 - Host: Right?
32:37 - Pusha T: I didn't know him.
32:38 - Pusha T: Timbaland was a mile the other way.
32:41 - Pusha T: And that was my friend.
32:42 - Pusha T: That was my brother's friend.
32:43 - Pusha T: Before, before.
32:44 - Pusha T: Before.
32:45 - Host: Your older brother?
32:46 - Pusha T: Yeah.
32:47 - Pusha T: Before anything.
32:48 - Host: Malice.
32:49 - Host: Okay, okay.
32:50 - Host: Cool.
32:51 - Pusha T: You know, they're five years older than me.
32:52 - Host: Then you have another older brother.
32:53 - Pusha T: Yeah, I have another older brother.
32:54 - Host: Okay, cool, cool.
32:55 - Pusha T: But, you know, uh, Timbaland, up the street, the other way.
32:59 - Pusha T: To, like, for my brother to be able to go over his house and rap while he DJed, my mom used to make him take me.
33:05 - Pusha T: So, I'm, if we, if, if, if, if they're 14, I'm nine.
33:09 - Host: Wow.
33:10 - Pusha T: That's the only way you can go.
33:11 - Pusha T: Pharrell's this way, I don't know him.
33:14 - Pusha T: I don't even know him at all.
33:16 - Host: Does Timbaland know each other?
33:19 - Pusha T: Yes.
33:20 - Host: Okay.
33:21 - Pusha T: I believe they do.
33:22 - Host: Okay.
33:23 - Pusha T: But...
33:24 - Host: And was Pharrell Pharrell yet?
33:25 - Pusha T: No.
33:26 - Host: By no means.
33:27 - Pusha T: No, this is high school.
33:28 - Host: Yeah.
33:29 - Pusha T: This is high school.
33:30 - Pusha T: No, this is middle school.
33:31 - Pusha T: And, and, you know, in elementary.
33:32 - Host: Goddamn.
33:33 - Host: They were serving out there.
33:34 - Pusha T: Yeah.
33:35 - Host: So, listen.
33:36 - Pusha T: We was busy.
33:37 - Host: Go on, listen, listen.
33:38 - Pusha T: This is Virginia Beach.
33:39 - Pusha T: This is Virginia Beach.
33:40 - Host: Yeah, yeah.
33:41 - Pusha T: Missy Elliott's up the street.
33:42 - Pusha T: Chad Hugo.
33:43 - Pusha T: Chad Hugo's not a mile from me.
33:44 - Host: Why?
33:45 - Pusha T: Because, because of zoning and like school zoning and shit.
33:48 - Host: Right.
33:49 - Pusha T: They don't want certain places to go.
33:50 - Pusha T: All of us were split up.
33:52 - Pusha T: Now, I just told y'all we live within three miles of each other, but we all go to different schools.
33:57 - Host: Right.
33:58 - Pusha T: Boom.
33:59 - Host: Right.
34:00 - Host: Right?
34:00 - Pusha T: There's a home girl who goes to school with Chad.
34:02 - Host: Mm-hmm.
34:03 - Pusha T: She live up the street from me.
34:04 - Pusha T: We don't go to the same school together, but because you up the street from me, I'm going to see you.
34:08 - Host: Uh-huh.
34:09 - Pusha T: We hanging out.
34:10 - Host: Right.
34:11 - Pusha T: Pharrell likes the girl.
34:12 - Pusha T: Ask me, yo, you know, you see me, yo, what's up?
34:15 - Pusha T: You, you deal with her?
34:17 - Pusha T: I'm like, nah, this is like my best friend.
34:19 - Host: Uh-huh.
34:20 - Pusha T: Then he's like, you know, oh, okay, boom.
34:22 - Pusha T: He finds out, he's like, yo, your brother's Gene, Malice.
34:25 - Host: Uh-huh.
34:26 - Pusha T: Your brother's Gene?
34:27 - Pusha T: I'm like, yeah.
34:28 - Pusha T: He's like, yo, man, he's like the best rapper in the world to me.
34:31 - Pusha T: Can we work with each other?
34:32 - Pusha T: I'm like, no.
34:33 - Pusha T: He works with Tim.
34:34 - Pusha T: He don't want to work with you.
34:35 - Host: Wow.
34:36 - Host: Wow.
34:37 - Host: Wow.
34:38 - Pusha T: You know what I'm saying?
34:39 - Pusha T: Like, and all of this is happening.
34:41 - Pusha T: I'm not rapping.
34:42 - Pusha T: I don't even rap at this point in my life.
34:44 - Pusha T: Like, I'm just here.
34:46 - Host: Right.
34:47 - Pusha T: You know?
34:48 - Pusha T: And Timbaland ends up working with Genuine and all of that.
34:55 - Pusha T: They go to New Jersey.
34:57 - Pusha T: That whole movie.
34:58 - Pusha T: There's the door for Pharrell to link with my brother.
35:02 - Host: Wow.
35:03 - Pusha T: Now I'm skipping school, not going.
35:05 - Pusha T: I'm skipping school, just going to the studio with them every day.
35:08 - Host: Wow.
35:09 - Pusha T: You know?
35:10 - Pusha T: That's how that whole thing.
35:12 - Pusha T: So when you say people like, mind you, at the same time, Pharrell's high school is next door to Teddy Riley's studio.
35:18 - Host: Right.
35:19 - Host: Rump Shaker.
35:20 - Pusha T: He just moved.
35:21 - Pusha T: The effects and that whole joint.
35:22 - Pusha T: Next door to that shit.
35:23 - Host: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:24 - Pusha T: So it's like...
35:25 - Host: Y'all was like the first child in.
35:26 - Pusha T: Word.
35:27 - Host: Exactly.
35:28 - Host: Nah, they got a lot of history in Virginia.
35:29 - Pusha T: Word.
35:30 - Pusha T: And then, you know, you go into like, guys like Mad Skills.
35:32 - Host: Like Mad Skills.
35:33 - Host: Oh, yeah.
35:34 - Host: Respect.
35:35 - Pusha T: Mad Skills been killing it.
35:36 - Pusha T: You know, Tribe Called Quest at the time.
35:39 - Pusha T: And I'm like, wow, like people get to do this?
35:41 - Host: Right.
35:42 - Pusha T: You know, I'm looking at him like, oh, and he nice.
35:45 - Pusha T: You know?
35:46 - Pusha T: It was a lot, man.
35:49 - Pusha T: It was a lot going on in Virginia at that time.
35:52 - Pusha T: And you had that whole energy going on.
35:54 - Pusha T: Then you had the whole just street culture.
35:56 - Pusha T: I feel like everybody from New York moved to Virginia to get money.
36:00 - Pusha T: I feel like that.
36:01 - Pusha T: Like, I feel like...
36:02 - Host: The way the work was moving.
36:03 - Pusha T: That's just what it was.
36:04 - Pusha T: Like, it was the first...
36:05 - Pusha T: Virginia Beach was the first Atlanta, Miami, whatever.
36:09 - Pusha T: You came down here first.
36:10 - Host: Because they're first.
36:11 - Host: Right.
36:12 - Pusha T: You know?
36:13 - Pusha T: Every rap song in the 90s had Virginia Beach references.
36:17 - Pusha T: You talking about Mace Big, whatever.
36:19 - Pusha T: That was what it was.
36:21 - Host: And I'm not going to lie.
36:22 - Host: Your girls was mad easy, too.
36:23 - Host: I'm not going to lie.
36:24 - Pusha T: Show some respect.
36:27 - Host: Show some respect.
36:29 - Host: Show some respect.
36:30 - Host: Just going to throw it out there.
36:32 - Host: Virginia girls is a little easy.
36:34 - Pusha T: Come on, man.
36:35 - Host: Philadelphia, too.
36:36 - Host: Oh, my God.
36:37 - Host: Yeah, dog.
36:38 - Host: Don't say that about Miami.
36:40 - Host: Don't say that about Miami.
36:41 - Host: That's why we don't have Miami.
36:43 - Pusha T: Even before then.
36:45 - Pusha T: Real shit.
36:46 - Pusha T: Even before then, like, you think about Public Enemy.
36:49 - Pusha T: You think about Can't Trust It.
36:50 - Pusha T: The videos they were shooting.
36:52 - Pusha T: There was the water hose in the kids.
36:54 - Host: Yeah.
36:55 - Pusha T: That's all Virginia Beach shit.
36:56 - Host: I believe it was Allen Iverson's life that actually made us realize, wow, Virginia.
37:04 - Pusha T: Oh.
37:05 - Host: Is fucking...
37:06 - Pusha T: Man, listen.
37:07 - Host: Is insane.
37:08 - Host: AI.
37:09 - Host: AI.
37:10 - Host: Because he's from Virginia, correct?
37:11 - Pusha T: Newport News, correct?
37:12 - Host: Yeah.
37:13 - Host: Newport News, I'm correct?
37:14 - Pusha T: Newport News or Hampton.
37:15 - Host: Okay.
37:16 - Host: But Allen Iverson, by far, is like, I mean, for me personally, is, you know, that's idol, hero level, you know.
37:32 - Pusha T: And people like, yo, man, not too long ago, he gave me a jersey, right?
37:36 - Host: Wow.
37:37 - Pusha T: And signed it.
37:39 - Pusha T: And, you know, I went crazy.
37:41 - Pusha T: They put it on the internet or whatever, ESPN or whatever.
37:44 - Pusha T: And people was like, man, why you, man, he from around the way.
37:47 - Pusha T: I'm like, so what?
37:48 - Host: Celebrating.
37:49 - Pusha T: You crazy.
37:50 - Host: That's right.
37:51 - Host: That's right.
37:52 - Host: That's right.
37:53 - Host: That's the reason why you celebrate.
37:54 - Host: Celebrating our legends.
37:55 - Host: Why are you alive?
37:56 - Pusha T: Now, you know, they see me.
37:57 - Pusha T: They see me partying.
37:58 - Pusha T: I don't care.
37:59 - Pusha T: Like, you don't, you know, I still look at him a certain way.
38:03 - Pusha T: Like, you know, you look at people a certain way.
38:05 - Pusha T: Like, it just is what it is.
38:06 - Pusha T: For me.
38:07 - Host: Nah.
38:08 - Host: And that's home team for you.
38:09 - Host: They gotta feel the love.
38:10 - Pusha T: Yeah.
38:11 - Host: I gotta relax.
38:12 - Host: I gotta relax.
38:13 - Host: I went too far.
38:14 - Host: I went too far.
38:15 - Host: Okay.
38:16 - Host: So, on that verse, Ye says, he's a million-dollar baby?
38:20 - Pusha T: Billion-dollar baby.
38:21 - Host: Billion-dollar baby?
38:22 - Host: I don't know a billion-dollar nigga.
38:27 - Pusha T: Listen.
38:28 - Host: A little less a baby?
38:30 - Pusha T: I'm gonna tell you all this.
38:31 - Pusha T: I'm gonna tell you all this.
38:32 - Pusha T: And I, you know, I don't know.
38:33 - Pusha T: That line is hard.
38:34 - Pusha T: I don't necessarily know.
38:37 - Pusha T: I know what he says.
38:38 - Host: Yeah, yeah.
38:39 - Pusha T: But, and I believe what he says.
38:41 - Host: Me too.
38:42 - Pusha T: But I know how these people line up for them shoes and everything that they're doing.
38:46 - Host: Yes.
38:47 - Host: Oh, hell yeah.
38:48 - Pusha T: That shit is phenomenal.
38:49 - Pusha T: Definitely, uh, it's there.
38:53 - Host: Mm-hmm.
38:54 - Pusha T: Like, I believe it's there.
38:55 - Pusha T: Like...
38:56 - Host: Yeah.
38:57 - Host: Right.
38:58 - Pusha T: You know.
38:59 - Host: It's beautiful, man.
39:00 - Pusha T: Yeah.
39:01 - Host: Goddamn, it's beautiful.
39:02 - Host: All right.
39:03 - Host: So we're gonna get into this last joint.
39:04 - Host: I mean, obviously...
39:05 - Pusha T: Yes.
39:06 - Host: We're gonna have to get into the talk of the town, the talk of the business.
39:09 - Pusha T: Let's talk about it.
39:10 - Host: But I'm gonna speak about this joint because I'm not gonna speak about the actual thing that it started.
39:14 - Host: This record is actually a great record.
39:17 - Host: What were you trying to, um, accomplish by Infrared?
39:20 - Host: Because to me, this whole record is not about what people are making it about.
39:24 - Host: It's a couple of lines.
39:25 - Pusha T: It didn't seem like that at all.
39:26 - Host: Actually.
39:27 - Pusha T: It didn't seem like it was a couple of lines.
39:28 - Host: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:29 - Host: Okay.
39:30 - Host: You know what I'm saying?
39:31 - Host: You know what I'm saying?
39:32 - Pusha T: It's just about...
39:33 - Pusha T: It's about...
39:34 - Pusha T: To me, it's just about the reality of hip-hop.
39:35 - Host: Mm-hmm.
39:36 - Pusha T: Um...
39:37 - Host: Because you said, um...
39:38 - Pusha T: It was...
39:39 - Host: Like, it was written.
39:40 - Pusha T: Yeah.
39:41 - Host: But it came from quitting.
39:42 - Pusha T: Right.
39:43 - Host: And is that what started the initial beef for now?
39:46 - Host: But we don't have to get into that.
39:48 - Host: Let's get into the record.
39:49 - Pusha T: We can get into it.
39:50 - Pusha T: So, you know, basically, um...
39:53 - Pusha T: Basically, that song, Infrared, was...
39:57 - Pusha T: It was a response to, uh...
40:03 - Host: Two Birds, One Stone.
40:04 - Pusha T: Mm-hmm.
40:05 - Pusha T: And, um...
40:06 - Pusha T: You know, and it was a response just in the most...
40:10 - Pusha T: I feel like, uh...
40:12 - Pusha T: You know, a battle back and forth type of way.
40:17 - Host: Mm-hmm.
40:18 - Pusha T: You know, you throw your jabs, I throw mine.
40:20 - Host: Mm-hmm.
40:21 - Host: Felt that way, yeah.
40:22 - Pusha T: Um...
40:23 - Pusha T: You know, it wasn't...
40:24 - Pusha T: It wasn't solely about that.
40:25 - Host: Right.
40:26 - Pusha T: It was just about, like, me, my position in rap.
40:29 - Pusha T: Somebody is...
40:30 - Pusha T: Is challenging my credibility.
40:33 - Pusha T: Street credibility, so on and so forth.
40:35 - Pusha T: Questioning that.
40:36 - Pusha T: So, okay, boom, now I gotta question something.
40:38 - Pusha T: Let's question these things.
40:39 - Pusha T: Together.
40:40 - Pusha T: We can all do it together.
40:41 - Pusha T: It's fine.
40:42 - Host: Right.
40:43 - Pusha T: Like, you know, um...
40:46 - Pusha T: Still, I feel like it was...
40:47 - Pusha T: It was...
40:48 - Pusha T: It was...
40:49 - Pusha T: It was still lyrical.
40:50 - Pusha T: It was still...
40:51 - Host: But Two Birds, One Stone.
40:53 - Host: I tried to actually go and look for that.
40:55 - Host: Like, and I don't really see where he's going, actually.
40:59 - Pusha T: Um...
41:00 - Pusha T: It was, uh...
41:01 - Pusha T: It was about the, uh...
41:05 - Pusha T: It was about the...
41:07 - Pusha T: Something about, you know, you was watching Scarface.
41:14 - Pusha T: You weren't really doing this, or...
41:16 - Pusha T: I don't even remember the bars like that.
41:18 - Pusha T: But it was something of that nature.
41:19 - Pusha T: Um...
41:20 - Pusha T: A couple...
41:21 - Pusha T: A couple...
41:22 - Pusha T: A couple...
41:23 - Pusha T: A couple jabs in that.
41:24 - Host: Okay.
41:25 - Pusha T: And, um...
41:26 - Pusha T: You know, it was what it was.
41:27 - Host: Okay, now...
41:28 - Host: Now, push.
41:29 - Host: Now, this is where we turn up.
41:30 - Host: Now, push.
41:31 - Pusha T: Alright.
41:32 - Host: So, since Mr. Me Too, right?
41:33 - Pusha T: Yes, sir.
41:34 - Host: Okay, what actually inspired Mr. Me Too?
41:36 - Host: Because, at the end of the day, you on what happened to that boy.
41:39 - Pusha T: Yes.
41:40 - Host: Um...
41:41 - Host: We even...
41:42 - Host: I believe even the Grindin' remix...
41:44 - Pusha T: Yes.
41:45 - Host: Was me, you...
41:46 - Pusha T: Yes.
41:47 - Host: Birdman, and...
41:49 - Host: Was it Wayne or not?
41:50 - Pusha T: I don't think Wayne was on that.
41:51 - Host: No.
41:52 - Pusha T: It was us and Birdman.
41:53 - Host: No, he might have been on it too.
41:54 - Pusha T: No, he might have been on it too.
41:55 - Host: He might have been on it too.
41:56 - Host: There's somebody else on that.
41:56 - Pusha T: He might have been on it.
41:57 - Host: So...
41:58 - Host: Where did this...
41:59 - Host: This...
42:00 - Host: I know...
42:01 - Host: I know it was an interview.
42:02 - Pusha T: That's it.
42:03 - Host: I know...
42:04 - Host: Oh, it's okay.
42:05 - Host: Oh, I'm sorry.
42:06 - Pusha T: So, it was an interview with...
42:07 - Host: That's it.
42:08 - Host: Yeah.
42:09 - Host: And what did they say?
42:10 - Host: They said, you trying to look like the clips?
42:11 - Pusha T: I guess they said something to him in regards to that.
42:14 - Host: Right.
42:15 - Pusha T: And, um...
42:16 - Host: Who's him, by the way?
42:17 - Host: Lil Wayne?
42:18 - Pusha T: Wayne.
42:19 - Host: Okay, okay.
42:20 - Pusha T: Or whatever.
42:21 - Pusha T: Um... He just answered it in a real condescending way.
42:28 - Host: Right.
42:29 - Pusha T: He was aggressive.
42:30 - Pusha T: It was... It was... And at this time, we're going through, like, the wildest of label...
42:35 - Host: Right.
42:36 - Pusha T: The wildest of, like, label drama. Like, we are out.
42:39 - Host: Look, I heard about this Justin Timberlake situation where...
42:41 - Host: Right.
42:42 - Pusha T: Pharrell wouldn't even work with Justin because he was so mad about the job.
42:47 - Host: Right.
42:48 - Host: Okay, but...
42:49 - Pusha T: So, um... And I was just like, damn, like, man, it was such a better way to answer that. Like, we rappers, like...
42:54 - Host: Right.
42:55 - Pusha T: I don't got to cut nobody if I don't want to.
42:57 - Host: Right.
42:58 - Pusha T: I don't got to say nothing crazy in regards to anybody if I don't want to. I know how to, you know, talk around things, so on and so forth.
43:04 - Host: How to finesse it.
43:05 - Host: But here's when I knew you was dangerous, right? Because it kept going on, and Wheezy kept getting hotter.
43:11 - Pusha T: Mm-hmm.
43:12 - Pusha T: And he kept getting hotter.
43:14 - Host: And most people would back down.
43:17 - Host: Like, you weren't that mixtape, Wheezy.
43:19 - Host: Like, you weren't that the dude that was chopping everybody's heads off.
43:23 - Host: And just so the listeners are clear, this is going back.
43:25 - Host: This is back, like...
43:26 - Host: This is mixtape Lil Wayne.
43:28 - Host: This is mixtape Wayne when he was on...
43:30 - Host: Wheezy!
43:31 - Host: Oh!
43:32 - Pusha T: Yeah, yeah.
43:33 - Host: He was out of here.
43:34 - Host: And I'm like...
43:35 - Host: I'm sitting back, and I'm a rapper, too.
43:37 - Host: You know?
43:38 - Host: I'm a rapper, too, so I'm sitting back, and I'm like, push it not back and down.
43:42 - Host: And I expect it, because everybody, when you go on fire, because the common sense is when a person goes at a person that's on fire, you're hating.
43:53 - Host: So I thought you would have backed down just off of that.
43:58 - Pusha T: Mm-hmm.
43:59 - Host: Or just, you know, and you just didn't.
44:03 - Pusha T: You know, it's...
44:05 - Pusha T: What people need to realize as far as I go is...
44:08 - Host: Okay.
44:09 - Pusha T: I never want to make their records.
44:12 - Host: Mm.
44:13 - Pusha T: Like, you know, if you look at my career, I've made the same record my whole career.
44:18 - Host: Right.
44:19 - Host: Right.
44:20 - Pusha T: I've made the same album basically my whole career.
44:22 - Host: Right.
44:23 - Pusha T: I've talked about the same thing my whole career.
44:26 - Host: Right.
44:27 - Host: Period.
44:28 - Host: Yeah, you're not chasing a trend or chasing a vibe.
44:29 - Pusha T: I'm not chasing a trend, I'm not chasing radio, I'm not chasing nothing.
44:32 - Host: Right.
44:33 - Pusha T: So when people say that, it's sort of funny to me, because it's like, man, my record's still going to be about the street.
44:39 - Host: Right.
44:40 - Pusha T: It's still going to be about, you know, just how, you know, my perspective and my point of view from a street perspective.
44:48 - Host: Right.
44:49 - Pusha T: It's still going to be, you know, drugs is going to be the common thread.
44:56 - Host: Mm-hmm.
44:57 - Pusha T: You know, and it's still going to be lyrical.
44:59 - Pusha T: It's still going to be, you know, you're going to have the metaphors and the parallels, I'm going to still put it together how we put it together.
45:06 - Host: Mm-hmm.
45:07 - Pusha T: You know, when people say that to me, it's crazy.
45:10 - Host: Right.
45:11 - Pusha T: Because, you know, you've never heard me, you've never heard me really try to chase a wild trend or be part of the wave.
45:23 - Host: Mm-hmm.
45:24 - Pusha T: Never try to be part of the wave, ever.
45:26 - Host: You don't have to be a part of the wave when you provide the water.
45:31 - Host: Goddamn it.
45:32 - Host: Ooh!
45:33 - Pusha T: That's what I am.
45:34 - Host: That was liquid.
45:35 - Host: That was liquid.
45:36 - Host: That was liquid.
45:37 - Host: I provide the water.
45:38 - Host: I don't got to follow a wave.
45:39 - Host: I provide the water.
45:40 - Host: You know what I'm saying?
45:41 - Host: You know what I'm saying?
45:42 - Host: So, um...
45:43 - Host: Okay.
45:44 - Host: Uh...
45:46 - Host: Mr. Me Too happens.
45:47 - Pusha T: Right.
45:48 - Host: He answers this.
45:49 - Host: This interview happens.
45:50 - Host: Boom.
45:51 - Host: Things have settled down.
45:52 - Pusha T: Right.
45:53 - Host: These guys are on top.
45:54 - Host: You now transition to president of good music.
45:59 - Pusha T: Right.
46:00 - Host: But at this time, it's kind of like a little turmoil.
46:03 - Pusha T: Right.
46:04 - Host: Between the two.
46:05 - Pusha T: Right.
46:06 - Host: You choose to kind of mind your business because you know that Ye has a relationship with Drake.
46:12 - Host: And then, so just skip for a certain time.
46:19 - Host: Jay Prince.
46:20 - Pusha T: Okay.
46:21 - Host: He just says, um, that Drake has a career...
46:28 - Host: Ending record.
46:29 - Pusha T: Ending record.
46:30 - Host: Okay.
46:31 - Host: Response.
46:32 - Pusha T: Response.
46:33 - Host: To you and to Kanye.
46:35 - Pusha T: Right.
46:36 - Host: What do you think of that?
46:39 - Pusha T: Um...
46:40 - Host: It's the first time you look sleepy through this whole interview.
46:42 - Pusha T: Yeah.
46:43 - Host: Like, it's just...
46:44 - Host: Was that to identify how you felt of the response?
46:49 - Pusha T: Right.
46:50 - Pusha T: No.
46:51 - Pusha T: And just, you know, just to be honest with you, man, I feel like, um, there's absolutely nothing that they would do for my best interest.
46:59 - Pusha T: Nothing.
47:00 - Host: Yeah, they wouldn't look out for you.
47:02 - Pusha T: For nothing.
47:03 - Pusha T: For no reason at all would they...
47:04 - Host: If they had it, they gonna pull that motherfucking trigger.
47:06 - Pusha T: Yeah.
47:07 - Pusha T: Um, I, you know, whatever, whatever their decision is or decision-making is, is based off of, you know, what's best for them.
47:15 - Host: Right.
47:16 - Host: Okay.
47:17 - Pusha T: Um, you know, man, I don't know, you know, I, I, like, I don't know what ends my career.
47:26 - Host: Right.
47:27 - Pusha T: I haven't, you know, I ain't never told on nobody.
47:29 - Host: Right.
47:30 - Pusha T: You know, I'm, I'm, I am who I am.
47:32 - Host: Mm-hmm.
47:33 - Pusha T: I, I don't even know what's career ending these days, but whatever it is, whatever it is, whatever it is, I ain't done.
47:40 - Host: Right.
47:41 - Host: Right.
47:42 - Pusha T: You know, so, you know, um, like I said, those conversations were had.
47:50 - Host: Right.
47:51 - Pusha T: And, uh, and there, and, and those conversations were had without that soundbite.
47:57 - Host: Okay.
47:58 - Host: Well, I get it.
47:59 - Host: You know what I'm saying.
48:00 - Host: I don't get it.
48:01 - Host: I don't get it.
48:02 - Host: I don't get it.
48:03 - Host: I don't get it.
48:04 - Host: I don't get it.
48:05 - Host: I keep saying, let's, let's, let's let it, let's, let it be.
48:06 - Host: But that, in particular, the phrase was not mentioned.
48:09 - Pusha T: Okay.
48:10 - Host: Yeah, that wasn't happening then.
48:11 - Pusha T: Okay.
48:12 - Pusha T: But, um, you know, and, uh, it was, it was, uh, it was to be left alone.
48:17 - Host: So you're saying it was a mutual ending of, of.
48:20 - Pusha T: Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't any, no, I'm not, I'm, I'm saying this. I'm saying that, you know, there were things that were, that were said during, during the conversation between my management and, and him in particular.
48:35 - Host: Jay Prince?
48:36 - Pusha T: Yeah.
48:37 - Host: Okay.
48:38 - Pusha T: That, uh, it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't aggressive, it wasn't anything.
48:41 - Host: Right, right.
48:42 - Host: I don't think he was being aggressive.
48:43 - Host: And respect to Jay Prince and his whole legacy.
48:45 - Pusha T: Yeah, it was all, it was all, it was all cool and like, listen.
48:48 - Host: He's protecting his artists.
48:49 - Pusha T: Yeah.
48:50 - Host: Period.
48:51 - Host: We understand that point of view.
48:52 - Pusha T: But, so, so what I'm saying is the narrative about the career ending and all of that, that's all after.
48:56 - Host: Right.
48:57 - Host: After the conversation, you're saying.
48:58 - Pusha T: Right.
48:59 - Host: Right.
49:00 - Host: Right.
49:01 - Host: Right.
49:02 - Pusha T: I don't know about that.
49:03 - Pusha T: And it's, you know, it is what it is.
49:04 - Pusha T: Hey.
49:05 - Host: Okay.
49:06 - Host: They got it.
49:07 - Host: You got it.
49:08 - Host: Okay, but, um.
49:09 - Pusha T: Right.
49:10 - Host: If it's theirs then.
49:11 - Pusha T: That's it.
49:12 - Host: Right.
49:13 - Host: But, you drop infrared.
49:14 - Pusha T: Yes.
49:15 - Host: Infrared drops.
49:16 - Host: Two days later, was it?
49:17 - Pusha T: Yeah, man.
49:18 - Host: Uh, what does he drop?
49:19 - Host: Duppy?
49:20 - Host: Duppy?
49:21 - Pusha T: Duppy Freestyle, yeah.
49:22 - Host: Duppy Freestyle.
49:23 - Pusha T: Yeah, man.
49:24 - Pusha T: Duppy Freestyle.
49:25 - Host: I'm not gonna lie, the industry was like, oh shit.
49:29 - Pusha T: Yeah, man.
49:30 - Host: They were nervous of you for a second.
49:31 - Pusha T: Cause it was an immediate response.
49:32 - Pusha T: That was, that was the part.
49:33 - Host: Nore was nervous.
49:34 - Host: Nore was nervous.
49:35 - Host: Nore was nervous.
49:36 - Pusha T: I heard.
49:37 - Host: I heard.
49:38 - Host: Hey, Nore.
49:39 - Host: That's not true.
49:40 - Host: I heard.
49:41 - Host: Don't you stop.
49:42 - Host: That's not true.
49:43 - Host: I'm here.
49:44 - Host: That's not true.
49:45 - Host: Don't start.
49:46 - Host: Just stop.
49:47 - Host: I wanted everybody to be on point.
49:48 - Host: You was nervous.
49:49 - Host: I thought you could be Meek Mill.
49:50 - Host: I ain't gonna put my man under the bus.
49:51 - Host: Listen.
49:52 - Host: But you was nervous.
49:53 - Host: I don't want my nigga to be Meek Mill.
49:54 - Host: Like, shit is real out here.
49:56 - Host: Like, yo, tell me what's your-
49:57 - Host: How fast he came out with that joint.
49:59 - Host: How fast?
50:00 - Host: No, no, no.
50:01 - Host: That was impressive.
50:02 - Host: But I feel like-
50:03 - Host: Hold on.
50:04 - Host: Before we jump.
50:05 - Host: I don't wanna jump.
50:06 - Host: Is that where Meek Mill messed up?
50:07 - Host: Because Meek didn't respond immediately.
50:10 - Host: And when he-
50:11 - Host: You know what I mean?
50:12 - Pusha T: No.
50:13 - Pusha T: I-I, you know.
50:14 - Pusha T: I-I don't believe that.
50:16 - Pusha T: I feel like, um...
50:18 - Host: Okay.
50:19 - Pusha T: Man.
50:20 - Pusha T: When it comes-
50:21 - Pusha T: When it comes to that, I just feel like-
50:25 - Pusha T: And I don't even wanna say he messed up, because I sort of feel like we saw how different the game is.
50:33 - Host: Mm.
50:34 - Pusha T: Because when that happened, Meek never lied to none of us.
50:42 - Pusha T: He didn't lie to nobody.
50:44 - Host: Yeah, but-
50:45 - Pusha T: And that, what I'm saying is that type of information in the game that we play-
50:50 - Host: Right.
50:51 - Pusha T: Is career ending.
50:52 - Host: Was the problem that Meek responded on Twitter as opposed to when Drake just went straight to the booth?
50:58 - Pusha T: Drake kinda went straight to the booth, so that-
51:00 - Host: Oh, well, yeah, I'm sure.
51:02 - Pusha T: But what I'm saying is I-I don't even believe it's-
51:04 - Pusha T: I believe that it was a-a, uh, miscalculation of, like, the importance of, you know, the writing these days.
51:15 - Host: Mm.
51:16 - Pusha T: That's what I feel is-
51:17 - Host: Is there any truth to him having access to the record before it came out that that's why he-
51:23 - Host: Oh, Jamal Drake.
51:24 - Host: Yeah.
51:25 - Pusha T: Oh, you know, um-
51:26 - Host: I mean, that you know of.
51:27 - Pusha T: You know, I don't know.
51:28 - Pusha T: I have no clue.
51:29 - Pusha T: You know, at the end of the day, when you are promoting the album, you letting people hear it.
51:35 - Host: Right.
51:36 - Pusha T: You gotta let the writers and all of that-
51:37 - Host: Right, right, right.
51:38 - Pusha T: I'm pretty sure they have-
51:39 - Host: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
51:40 - Pusha T: You know, whatever.
51:41 - Host: So that could be true.
51:42 - Pusha T: Yeah, it could be.
51:43 - Host: Right.
51:44 - Pusha T: It could be.
51:45 - Host: So now, you release this, you're hearing Drake is coming back.
51:48 - Host: Drake, actually, one thing that I've never heard you speak about ever, personally, is your relationship.
51:56 - Pusha T: Right.
51:57 - Host: He brings up the name.
51:59 - Pusha T: Right.
52:00 - Host: Where you at and then where do you feel?
52:01 - Host: Is this all gloves off?
52:02 - Host: Is this like-
52:03 - Pusha T: Of course.
52:04 - Pusha T: I mean, I think it was obvious it became gloves off.
52:07 - Host: Because-
52:08 - Host: And all of is Virginia Williams, correct?
52:10 - Pusha T: For sure.
52:11 - Host: Because I'm thinking that is a place in Virginia.
52:13 - Host: Like, that's how dumb I am.
52:15 - Host: I'm like, that's how much you-
52:16 - Pusha T: You see?
52:17 - Host: That's how much you protective of yours.
52:19 - Host: You know what I mean?
52:20 - Host: Because I'm like, where is Virginia Williams?
52:22 - Host: I've never-
52:23 - Pusha T: I didn't know that.
52:24 - Host: And the people are like, no.
52:25 - Pusha T: Right.
52:26 - Host: So, is it like-
52:28 - Host: What are you thinking?
52:30 - Host: What are you thinking?
52:31 - Host: Are you thinking like this guy?
52:32 - Pusha T: Man, you know, like I-
52:34 - Pusha T: You know, it immediately just put me-
52:36 - Pusha T: Because it's like, okay, boom.
52:37 - Pusha T: A record's coming out.
52:38 - Pusha T: I already know.
52:39 - Pusha T: Response mode.
52:40 - Pusha T: Bang.
52:41 - Pusha T: That's what it is.
52:42 - Host: Okay.
52:43 - Host: But then you gotta like-
52:44 - Host: What?
52:45 - Host: I'm listening.
52:46 - Pusha T: Because before then, he really kind of like-
52:49 - Pusha T: He kind of was careful with you.
52:51 - Pusha T: He kind of responded to everybody else.
52:53 - Pusha T: But he kind of like-
52:54 - Pusha T: When he was talking about you or sparring with you, he was very, very careful.
52:58 - Host: Be careful.
52:59 - Host: So, I can't-
53:00 - Host: I can't say that I saw him coming back this fast.
53:03 - Pusha T: Oh, no, no, no, no.
53:04 - Pusha T: I'm just saying that, you know, it was known that a record was coming.
53:07 - Host: Mmm.
53:08 - Host: Of yours?
53:09 - Pusha T: No, of his.
53:10 - Host: Right.
53:11 - Pusha T: So, boom.
53:12 - Host: Okay.
53:13 - Pusha T: Once that, you know, once that came out, it was just like, okay, response mode.
53:17 - Pusha T: Like, it's like, alright, well, you know, you definitely- I'm definitely gonna respond.
53:21 - Host: Right.
53:22 - Pusha T: And then you just, you know, you just sort of look at it, man.
53:25 - Pusha T: And you just sort of have to analyze the record at that point.
53:29 - Pusha T: And then you just pick it apart.
53:31 - Pusha T: And that's what I feel like I did.
53:32 - Pusha T: I was like, okay, boom.
53:33 - Pusha T: We gonna-
53:34 - Pusha T: Like, first of all, why would you mention her?
53:37 - Pusha T: You don't do that.
53:38 - Pusha T: Like, you know, women and kids.
53:40 - Pusha T: Leave them alone.
53:41 - Pusha T: Leave them alone.
53:42 - Pusha T: Bomb.
53:43 - Host: Okay, boom.
53:44 - Host: And you knew about the porn star?
53:45 - Pusha T: Okay.
53:46 - Host: I gotta relax.
53:47 - Host: Relax, buddy.
53:48 - Host: I gotta relax.
53:49 - Host: I'm sorry.
53:50 - Host: Tell me now, boys.
53:51 - Pusha T: Okay.
53:52 - Pusha T: So I'm just like, you know, boom.
53:53 - Pusha T: I'm like, okay, well, why would this happen like this?
53:55 - Host: Okay.
53:56 - Pusha T: And then, um, then it just, you know, and then it was like, man, it just couldn't-
54:01 - Pusha T: For me, at that point, I was like, man, this is like not- this ain't our usual pitter-pat, back and forth, you know, like-
54:10 - Host: Cause y'all been doing it.
54:11 - Pusha T: Yeah.
54:12 - Pusha T: I was like, okay, cool.
54:13 - Pusha T: I was like, alright, bet.
54:14 - Pusha T: So now you gotta sort of look at it and look at, um, start looking at-
54:19 - Pusha T: Who you're dealing with and what, like, and to me, I didn't think the line was that good.
54:27 - Host: Right?
54:28 - Host: The Virginia line.
54:29 - Pusha T: I didn't think it was that good.
54:30 - Pusha T: I was like, so you reached.
54:32 - Pusha T: And now I gotta realize, like, why did you think that was so important to say?
54:38 - Pusha T: Cause it wasn't that good to me.
54:39 - Host: Mm.
54:40 - Pusha T: And it sometimes be good to me, they say.
54:42 - Pusha T: Like, you know?
54:43 - Host: But kind of like, um-
54:45 - Host: Sort of reachy.
54:46 - Host: Like, Ho kind of messed up when he did that, like with Nas though, like bringing up, like, the girl.
54:50 - Pusha T: But can I continue?
54:51 - Host: Yeah, but you know, I just sort of felt like that.
54:54 - Pusha T: Then it just started, it just gave me content.
54:57 - Pusha T: Like, okay, boom.
54:58 - Pusha T: Why is this like this?
54:59 - Pusha T: Why would you say that?
55:00 - Pusha T: Why would you say that?
55:01 - Pusha T: And you knew about the porn star prior?
55:02 - Pusha T: Yeah.
55:03 - Host: So you, you're a dangerous nigga.
55:05 - Host: So listen, all right.
55:06 - Host: So let's-
55:07 - Host: He kept that in the vault.
55:09 - Host: Yeah, he captured it how strategic he just said.
55:13 - Host: It's like backup ammunition.
55:15 - Host: Listen, listen, listen.
55:16 - Host: All right.
55:17 - Host: So you had infrared, knowing that there will be a response, but you might've held that response.
55:25 - Host: he might have held the porno star for the like the third disc or am i talking the third dis ain't out yet i don't know i'm just saying but hey look at the way he's like the third this is done he got more he got more he got three or four done okay now how does one know about this adidas clothes
55:50 - Host: that was kind of foul i'm not gonna lie that was kind of great i'm not gonna lie
55:53 - Host: drake goes to battle rap no no battle i've seen drake in battle rap concerts like on stage too
56:00 - Host: so he can't really say it's anything too far i'm just saying no no i'm saying but it is fine i'm
56:05 - Host: saying it's foul good god bless him but so how did you know that like so you knew that the clothesline
56:12 - Host: was related to the porn star who's related to the not gonna mean yeah you had adidas spies huh because
56:22 - Host: we know you're close to adidas so hold on so listen let me just be honest listen after i heard the
56:39 - Host: record right now i hit mr lee i said mr lee man you know we need pusher on he said your pusher wants to
56:47 - Host: come on he said he wants to remind you of that you don't even remember i said that's a diss record
56:55 - Host: close close though close
56:59 - Host: remember shit like that back in the day he's just like oh i got one on you that is that's just some
57:04 - Host: rapper shit like you know that we sit around no no no no no no just just just just good story
57:09 - Host: okay but let's let's let's let's stick with dre so you know you're going to spar with him right you
57:17 - Host: don't know he's going to bring in your person you think you're going to do that or did you did you
57:22 - Host: expect no no no no no nothing like that you didn't expect no no no no so now that he did it yeah what
57:28 - Pusha T: was your first response because you were calm no i just you know like i said i i felt like um
57:35 - Pusha T: just felt like i had just had to evaluate the situation a little differently like you know
57:40 - Pusha T: like i said it's been jabs you know tap tap everybody you know you take some i take some
57:47 - Pusha T: boom boom it's cool but um i just felt like it just went it just you know went across the line with that
57:54 - Pusha T: for real and that's just that's really it right for me for you so now you go in the studio yeah
58:01 - Pusha T: you bring up the whole beat which is like which is like that's like real like what i want to call
58:11 - Pusha T: it i can't call it afrocentric but it's like it's like that it's that revolution and the it's that
58:20 - Pusha T: it's that revolutionary music right renaissance there we go right it's it's that thing what made
58:25 - Pusha T: you go because i had the picture okay so you had the picture prior yeah okay okay prior to what
58:35 - Pusha T: prior to his response or prior no just period you just have what damn what no this is this is because
58:48 - Host: you know what it feels like you draked drake that's what it feels like it feels like you did exactly
58:56 - Host: to him what he did to someone else i mean i'm just
59:03 - Host: does it feel like that to anybody else
59:06 - Host: so so so you had the picture before infrared came out um yeah i believe so
59:13 - Host: this is some real this is this is some real hip-hop history uh uh did you think did you think you
59:34 - Host: would um did you think you would hear uh j prince say something like that like saying that they would
59:39 - Host: know there is no response i would that was the last person i thought would be speaking who j prince
59:48 - Pusha T: yeah because y'all got a relationship yeah you always been cool okay no no okay jay prince is
59:54 - Pusha T: cool he's a cool dude come on man he's he's created some greatness right of course yeah of course and um
1:00:01 - Host: so when he said that he advised drake not to respond was a piece of your petty side just the petty side i was like of course like i'm just asking man you know we just drink no no no no for sure you gotta take a shot too if you want i mean we got more all right i'll get to it okay all right but um
1:00:20 - Pusha T: let me answer you um man you know i just feel like when you when when when you deal in like truth right it's like it's like like i said i've said a lot i don't got skeletons i don't got things that i don't got nothing i'm ashamed of in this world like for real like i ain't even doing no lying to nobody
1:00:51 - Pusha T: like i don't like i don't i don't know you know it wasn't uh i know who i am right i know it like it's nothing that nothing to shake me up about like you know you know you you drag me into it you know you know she built for a tough for real
1:01:23 - Host: all right but where it what's up what who knows what's coming who knows where she she going to like it's whatever man like does the porn star girl ever um dm you or anything
1:01:39 - Pusha T: no i don't i don't no no no connection
1:01:46 - Host: what you don't even fuck with your niggas who don't pay child support i respect that that's a fact i respect that i respect that god damn it respect that god damn it
1:01:58 - Host: so what what what what is the benefit of of because hip-hop declared juda right right and um at the end of the day drake can um probably do a response whatever right now hip-hop from pup daddy to to everybody is saying you know he had a certain amount of time he was supposed to respond he did the same thing
1:02:13 - Host: but um i don't remember naz responding six months later but right this this is something different this is because we're in a different time so what is the benefits now like you know of of people knowing that you are bar for bar the floyd mayweather uh of our generation
1:02:31 - Pusha T: man i you know i don't know if um i don't know what the real benefit is and i don't i mean personally on just some rap type time man i hope i'm not getting it from this
1:02:50 - Pusha T: like it's like like it's sort of weird like
1:02:55 - Host: no no i'm not even saying i'm because of the artist because of the artist
1:02:59 - Host: yeah like i gotta get it like what do you what do you feel about drake as a as a mc period like real talk
1:03:07 - Pusha T: uh i i feel he makes i feel that like we know we know people say he has the ghost right but do you feel he as an mc that that
1:03:12 - Pusha T: well then not we're not gonna talk him see we just gonna talk that's that's where it ends
1:03:16 - Host: yeah we're just gonna talk records and the records are good
1:03:20 - Pusha T: okay no biggie no biggie at all like that's what it is
1:03:29 - Host: i forgot the tiger we don't have time let's do that's my bad it's my bad i have like 12 tiger bones at my crib i can't believe yo let me just tell you something push what's up bro because the thing about it is
1:03:40 - Host: um so many people do other things like you got the sneaker thing you got the play clothes thing which other day i thought my man is right gonna start hugging me over play clothes i thought my man had on bootleg play clothes but i couldn't tell
1:03:55 - Host: i got you because because he had it was pink play clothes it was pink i was just like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know if it was bootleg or not i said i'm not sure you know what i'm saying you know my guy's the flea market king you know what i'm saying
1:04:05 - Host: so i'm like but you got these other things but you're one of these guys that stays so consistent through music like people depend and respect on you through music earlier you said that you took a high haters for three years how would that feel as a person that that's your soul you know your core is is the music how do you take it
1:04:28 - Pusha T: you know you know i don't i don't believe i don't believe that what i do goes out of style that's the thing i like i don't think lyric driven hip-hop goes out of style i don't think that the streets go out of style period
1:04:41 - Host: so so do you believe in in a consistency that it's without time it's just what you do
1:04:48 - Pusha T: listen my album is called Daytona right because you know rolex daytona is my favorite watch right but i feel like i had the luxury of time to make it right that's why it is what it is and i feel like you know that's what that's what me and yay sort of proved
1:05:07 - Pusha T: like man this is we got the time to make it right and we're gonna give you seven and that's timeless music regardless period right and that and that's you know that's that's what we sort of uh that's what we living off of
1:05:19 - Host: um mr lee where the vodka shots at come let's do it i don't um i don't uh like i said i you know i know who i'm talking to every time every time i know exactly who i'm talking to when i'm when i'm writing a verse i know exactly who i want it to resonate with
1:05:34 - Pusha T: i know exactly the club i want to go to
1:05:36 - Host: would it change if you didn't though like i'm saying like if the music for you if you didn't know who you were talking to but it was what you felt would it change if it changed that you knew that these people that you thought you were talking to change they vibe you know
1:05:50 - Pusha T: you know i can't really look at it like that because the reaction from the streets be so loud when they hear a verse or when they hear an album or when they hear a song i say something you know i say something and then
1:06:09 - Host: what did you just walk down just now you had the mic out there yeah and he just came in oh my god but i'm talking before you could even get that reaction would you change if you thought that that maybe that wasn't there anymore
1:06:23 - Pusha T: nah because i don't think that doesn't i don't think because you know i'm saying like being who you are like you want to do what you do
1:06:30 - Pusha T: yeah but i just don't think that that goes anywhere i feel like i i feel like my niche in rap i don't know if anybody can get articulate street rap anywhere else from them than me i don't believe that
1:06:44 - Host: i guess the point i'm trying to make for for artists i'm just trying to like if an artist is listening right yeah you know artists tend to always be like what's pop and what's hot what what is an audience that i think is gonna gonna resonate with me i feel like that's wrong that's what i'm trying to like get to i feel like that's wrong
1:06:58 - Pusha T: i mean i feel like like you know you make what you make yeah and then who who fucks with that is who fucks with it and then that's who you fuck with and then you master that and you grow that i don't think that you
1:07:11 - Host: no because that's what i believe you know you keep going out there reaching
1:07:18 - Host: come on man like how do you know i even want to drink this
1:07:22 - Host: how do you even know i want to drink this
1:07:23 - Host: because we celebrate you tonight we celebrate your career your life i don't even drink this shit
1:07:31 - Host: that was a light shot what is it like that's vodka shout out to sarah yeah i do drink it's cool
1:07:45 - Host: so that did hit me that did hit me a little bit um you know um man you know
1:07:51 - Host: do you think he's gonna be here this long
1:07:56 - Pusha T: man i that revelation hit me the other day that's real
1:08:01 - Pusha T: like for real when i when i like and it just started hitting me recently like i want to say like from 2012 like the 10-year anniversary of Lord Willing 2016 the 10-year anniversary of Hell Hath No Fury
1:08:20 - Pusha T: like it's like i'm like damn man like 10 joints that's crazy now now when i really think about it it's like no it's really 16 joints really been here 16 joints really like
1:08:35 - Host: like some people saying this one's my best album who knows
1:08:40 - Pusha T: no it is i mean is it i you know i never
1:08:41 - Host: i'm sorry but i've never seen an artist grow and get better the way you grow and get better
1:08:47 - Pusha T: part man thank you and and it's because it's because the thing about it is you come from actually our era like which is an older ever than kanye which is the area before kanye right you've been able to maintain these errors and the thing about it there's other people been able to maintain
1:09:02 - Host: those errors but they've been able to maintain it just in single wise right there's no one be able to make maintain the whole crown and a body a whole body to work with a whole new generation
1:09:08 - Host: with it too it's amazing what you're doing like you know what i'm saying i have no you brought the value of a whole album that we've been missing for a long time that is beautiful god damn it
1:09:17 - Pusha T: thank you that should be that should be saluted um and then and the thing about it is you you you like you come from the greatest producers like you know what i'm saying you've been work you've been
1:09:29 - Host: i i feel like they got a lot to do with it too like i see a listening party i've seen swiss yeah i've seen um feral of course you got a lot yeah i feel like they got a lot to do with it you bet you become a producer when you when you hanging around producers so much bro
1:09:43 - Pusha T: i wish i knew how to do you just don't know how to i don't know how i wish i wish i knew how in my mind i'm a producer too i just don't know how to fucking press no fucking
1:09:53 - Host: man i want to hear the pre-yay version of your album no man just to see what the difference is you know it was fire but but like like who were the producers like was it local producers i don't know like you don't have to say who like like more
1:10:04 - Pusha T: or less they were um they were producers who uh of name yeah definitely of name listen he a and r is all my projects so that's the
1:10:13 - Host: yeah he may not do all the so he was he was already he was already like picking yo this this producer
1:10:19 - Pusha T: okay okay and then he just decided i want to do the whole thing yeah then he was just like right right and at that time like i said it was uh it was sort of weird time
1:10:29 - Pusha T: and uh you know just for him and i just felt like all right well if you if that's what you want to do then let's go let's go ahead let's go do it right you know
1:10:42 - Host: and mind you it's done so did you feel any kind of way about him wanting to revamp it you didn't go relate new vocals yes
1:10:47 - Pusha T: yeah i did but what i'm saying is my album was done
1:10:50 - Host: oh that's what i'm saying like did you not feel some kind of way at that point
1:10:54 - Pusha T: i did but i mean no no not some kind of way is like uh egotistical
1:10:57 - Pusha T: yeah no no like listen i'm i'm straight student mode when it come to pee yay my mom watch your drink when it comes to like like turning the album and taking your input right i rap that's what i do like and that's all
1:11:11 - Pusha T: i do period that's what i do when it come to all of the theatrics you got to listen to you know you got to listen to that that's why i feel like you know all of this came out this way it came out strong
1:11:25 - Pusha T: this way yo come back maybe the collaborative come back maybe i turned away come back maybe i was like yo i don't want this record i don't like it for real don't like it he was like no listen i'm telling
1:11:36 - Pusha T: you you're gonna love it do it yeah he's like yo do it and i'm like all right last time that happened
1:11:45 - Pusha T: to me was niggas in paris not gonna happen again
1:11:54 - Host: it happened to you a lot of times my friend that's all good that's that's why i feel for you when you said that hollering back
1:12:00 - Pusha T: yeah it's okay it happened i fucked up a couple times it happens on rap time
1:12:05 - Host: yeah rap time you're rapping man yeah you got me fucked up over there boys all right
1:12:10 - Host: yeah that's what happened well you know it happens so let me pick you up because you only you're probably the only one of the other niggas that ghost wrote for ronald mcdonald's nigga
1:12:24 - Pusha T: yeah i'm loving it yeah oh that was your joint i'm loving it
1:12:29 - Host: yeah i'm good at my job i don't know if y'all know i don't know if y'all know i don't know if you're just realizing that now
1:12:34 - Pusha T: but nigga you wrote i'm loving it yeah i'm loving it that was a panel publishing check
1:12:40 - Host: i took a super l what you got what you what what just up front no publishing just up front
1:12:48 - Pusha T: oh oh yeah about a half a man oh no no no but it still was like i would have been you think about
1:12:57 - Host: that would have been crazy yeah but but but just we ain't gonna tell nobody that we're gonna say
1:13:03 - Pusha T: we're gonna say every time no no no no no no i want people to know because they they need to
1:13:08 - Pusha T: understand shout out steve stout he gave me the whoo i got a check and i was like ah man ah great and
1:13:13 - Host: did you know so i have an early hold on so you wrote the slogan or you wrote the rhyme and in the
1:13:19 - Pusha T: the rhyme yeah yeah they took that i don't care what he wrote he couldn't that publishing would
1:13:24 - Pusha T: have been crazy it was gonna be crazy that's him so no i know it was in this rap he said you know
1:13:29 - Pusha T: they they took it that's crazy but the the you know just so you know i want people to know that
1:13:34 - Pusha T: part and i want artists to know that part yeah keep your publishing man right like make sure you
1:13:40 - Pusha T: know that check will be nice but you like i'm loving it been running for how long now i did this
1:13:48 - Pusha T: some what oh three right that's they slogan who knows what it would have been half a man back then
1:13:55 - Pusha T: was like oh my god now you think about it but to be but but just so just so they know the get back
1:14:08 - Pusha T: is real i also own 40 of the arby's commercial so be clear the recent arby's commercial when you
1:14:14 - Host: hear that crazy beat when you hear that guitar strum it's mine 40. you learn you live you live and you learn you live and you learn
1:14:20 - Host: yeah he went from mcdonald's to arby's on that you let me learn you're getting that job
1:14:26 - Host: he's gonna do burger king beefs from mcdonald's you live and you learn man
1:14:33 - Host: so you've also been the only person that i've seen that bobby brown was mad at but then when i went
1:14:41 - Host: oh with the why bobby brown yeah yeah and then i i understood but i've never seen by brown mad
1:14:47 - Host: at like another young black brother but then again like i said i went to search but that was yay's
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