Transcript: Elon Musk And Joe Rogan Discuss The 2024 Presidential Election

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[0:00:12 - 0:00:25] Elon Musk: But if you want to sort of see like a vision of the future, it's like basically the top 20 and even the top 100 is like totally dominated by China.

[0:00:22 - 0:00:23] Joe Rogan: Really?

[0:00:23 - 0:00:25] Elon Musk: Yeah, there's like China and a little bit of Korea and Taiwan.

[0:00:26 - 0:00:30] Joe Rogan: So are you in the top 20 in the world? Yeah. Wow, in Diablo.

[0:00:30 - 0:00:31] Elon Musk: Yeah, yeah.

[0:00:31 - 0:00:34] Joe Rogan: Do you want to tell everybody your handle? No, no, don't tell them.

[0:00:35 - 0:00:41] Elon Musk: Don't tell them. It's not worth it. Well, they actually listed me with my actual name in the list. Oh, did they really?

[0:00:42 - 0:00:43] Joe Rogan: Oh, interesting.

[0:00:44 - 0:00:51] Elon Musk: But yeah, there's only two Americans in the top 20. The rest, almost everyone is from Asia otherwise.

[0:00:51 - 0:01:09] Joe Rogan: We were talking about something that I think is a really good, because people always think that video games are frivolous, but what you were saying I think that's really important is it's so difficult that it requires you to only think about that and it can relieve stress. It can take out the rest of the world because it's so hard. You can only think about that.

[0:01:10 - 0:01:18] Elon Musk: Yeah, I mean, if I play a video game on extreme difficulty, then I have to concentrate fully on the game. And it has a calming effect.

[0:01:18 - 0:01:19] Joe Rogan: Yeah.

[0:01:19 - 0:01:44] Elon Musk: It sort of chills down. And, I mean, you mentioned, I think, many people are like, if you play martial arts or you play pool, like something that forces you, it's like I think anything that forces you to concentrate fully actually has a calming effect. I find it just sort of like... Kind of a restoring effect. It's good. Jiu-jitsu is like that.

[0:01:45 - 0:01:54] Joe Rogan: Archery is like that as well. When you're shooting a bow, there's so many moving things. You have to think only of it, and it cleans the mind.

[0:01:54 - 0:01:55] Elon Musk: It cleans the mind, yeah, exactly.

[0:01:56 - 0:02:03] Joe Rogan: I was reading this study about surgeons, where they found that surgeons who regularly play video games make less errors.

[0:02:03 - 0:02:19] Elon Musk: Well, video games require manual dexterity, so it makes sense. Completely makes sense. Actually, if somebody was epic at video games, I'd say their surgical skill is going to be very good, because in order to be good at video games, any kind of fast reaction video games... Look at this.

[0:02:19 - 0:02:27] Joe Rogan: 32% fewer errors, 24% faster, and scored 26% better overall than their non-player colleagues.

[0:02:27 - 0:02:28] Elon Musk: Oh, I believe that for sure.

[0:02:28 - 0:02:32] Joe Rogan: That's incredible. You should be required in medical school to play video games.

[0:02:33 - 0:02:39] Elon Musk: Don't you think? If somebody's a top-ranked video game player, and they say they're a surgeon, I'd be like, plus one, plus two type of thing.

[0:02:39 - 0:02:43] Joe Rogan: Oh, top-ranked, for sure. But this isn't even top-ranked. This is just people who play.

[0:02:44 - 0:02:59] Elon Musk: Well, your manual dexterity has to be extremely high. So you're looking at things on a screen. You're reacting, and sometimes you've got like 10 milliseconds to react. Yes. And so if somebody's got incredible reaction times and manual dexterity, they're obviously gonna be a good surgeon.

[0:03:00 - 0:03:05] Joe Rogan: Imagine if there was a course that you could take. That course would promote, you would be 26% better.

[0:03:05 - 0:03:05] Elon Musk: Yeah.

[0:03:06 - 0:03:20] Joe Rogan: Everyone would have to take that course. Sure. Why would you want a surgeon that's less prepared? You would say, hey, Bob, did you take this course? You didn't take this course. Don't you understand this course makes you 26% better? Sure. You would have to take it. Everyone should have to play video games if you wanna be a surgeon.

[0:03:21 - 0:03:48] Elon Musk: Well, I think it certainly would be a very good test to see if somebody can't play video games well. Because you've got to move both hands simultaneously. You've got to react to something very fast on the screen. And if your keystrokes or your mouse clicks or whatever are wrong, then you lose the game. So if somebody has a good rank in video games, I would say that necessarily their manual dexterity must be extremely good.

[0:03:48 - 0:03:49] Joe Rogan: Well, it's so hard.

[0:03:49 - 0:03:50] Elon Musk: The fine motor skills have to be excellent.

[0:03:50 - 0:04:00] Joe Rogan: If you think about StarCraft or any game like Quake, any game where a lot of people are playing, to rise to the top, you have to be exceptional, period, as a human being. There has to be something exceptional about you.

[0:04:01 - 0:04:05] Elon Musk: Yeah. Actually, if I mention Quake, way back in the day, I was one of the world's best Quake players.

[0:04:06 - 0:04:07] Joe Rogan: I know we talked about this.

[0:04:07 - 0:04:07] Elon Musk: Yeah, yeah.

[0:04:08 - 0:04:09] Joe Rogan: I loved Quake.

[0:04:09 - 0:04:13] Elon Musk: Yeah, yeah. In my final semester in college, I probably put more time to Quake than all my college classes.

[0:04:14 - 0:04:36] Joe Rogan: When I was on news radio, all of the writers were super nerds. They were very, very fun guys. And they had a LAN set up at the studio where they all played Quake. I had never played video games. And I would go in with the writers and just kind of hang out with them. We'd get silly. And then we would all start playing video games, playing Quake against each other. And I got addicted, like hardcore. I got a T1 line installed in my house.

[0:04:37 - 0:04:41] Elon Musk: I went hardcore. Yeah, exactly. You're checking how many milliseconds of latency you have. Oh, yeah.

[0:04:41 - 0:04:57] Joe Rogan: I was fully addicted. I was making my own computers. I was going to Fry's Hardware and buying motherboards and putting everything together. You know, it was too much of a time suck, though. I'm an obsessive person. I can't get involved. Like, I can't play golf.

[0:04:58 - 0:05:17] Elon Musk: No, golf is too slow for me. I mean, a lot of people find golf good. And I mean, I guess if you think of it like it's, I guess if you're saying you're going to walk outdoors with friends and occasionally hit a ball, and it's an outdoor walk, then that's cool. And does require concentration when you're hitting the ball, but it's too slow for me.

[0:05:17 - 0:05:34] Joe Rogan: Nothing compares to video games in terms of the amount of feedback you get. The sensory overload you get when you're looking at a large, high-resolution screen. You have a fast computer. You have headphones on. You're hearing sounds from here and sounds behind you and rockets are flying by you.

[0:05:35 - 0:05:59] Elon Musk: it's there's nothing like that yeah but i think golf still is like jamie will tell you jamie's an addict he's a golf nut it's super addictive and it takes like eight hours a day it's yes uh once you get into golf i think i guess any sport it gets super addictive um so but but for me the the the the intensity of video games is uh hard to beat

[0:05:59 - 0:06:10] Joe Rogan: Yes, and people dismiss it because they think it's just a waste of time. But we're showing real-world benefits of people playing video games. If you want to be a drone operator, it's the only game in town.

[0:06:10 - 0:06:11] Elon Musk: Yeah, absolutely.

[0:06:11 - 0:06:12] Joe Rogan: You have to be really good at video games.

[0:06:12 - 0:07:05] Elon Musk: Yeah, for sure. In fact, I can actually tell what my mental acuity is if I play a very hard video game. So if I'm trying to get an extremely good clear time in Diablo or something like that, or a first person shooter, whatever the case may be. I can tell that I'm tired or my brain's not working as well as it should. It's like a mental calibration. You can tell immediately. How good is your mental state? Right, right. So if you're trying to play really well, if you play late at night and you're tired, you just play badly. Right. And you can say, okay, you may think that your brain is working well, but it isn't. Yeah. Because you play the video game and you're like, you suck. So, okay.

[0:07:05 - 0:07:06] Joe Rogan: Yeah, you're putting it under stress.

[0:07:07 - 0:07:07] Elon Musk: Yeah.

[0:07:07 - 0:07:09] Joe Rogan: You're really stress testing it.

[0:07:09 - 0:07:17] Elon Musk: You stress test it. Yeah. Because sometimes it's like, oh, I think I'm fine. But then you play the game like, okay, I'm not. I'm like 10% below what I should be.

[0:07:17 - 0:07:35] Joe Rogan: That's how I feel about workouts for sure. Like that's how I knew I had COVID or I knew everyone in my family had COVID and I was trying to not get COVID. And so I was working out. I was like, something's up. Like I felt fine normally, but then during exercise, I was like, okay, I can tell there's something wrong here. So let's just like back off, relax.

[0:07:35 - 0:07:35] Elon Musk: Yeah.

[0:07:36 - 0:07:59] Joe Rogan: yeah it's like people who don't stress test their mind they think they're operating on the same level all the time like sometimes i come in here and i can't form a sentence and i don't know what it is it's like what is going on yeah so it's just like sleep's not maybe like what sleep wasn't that good or something like that yeah something like that or i'm too busy and it's just it's not the words aren't coming out like i know how to talk i talk professionally and i can't talk

[0:08:00 - 0:08:26] Elon Musk: It's like, I mean, sleep is massive. I mean, huge. Yeah. So, uh, if I can tell me, did I get a good night's sleep or not? If I, if I just play like a video game for like five minutes, I'm like, okay, my sleep wasn't that good. Um, because it's my, my, you know, and then sometimes they don't, your brain will recover through the day and it's like, okay, like an hour or two after waking up, it's better. Yeah. Because your brain does kind of recover from bad nights sleep a little bit.

[0:08:26 - 0:08:59] Joe Rogan: Do you know what really helps? Creatine, apparently. Does it? Yeah. Creatine is actually a nootropic, believe it or not. There's a lot of benefits of creatine that are really weird. Are there any downsides? No, no. It's a natural part of food. Yeah, yeah. Especially women. For women, apparently, especially postmenopausal women, it's very beneficial. Okay. But there's a lot of cognitive benefits, and one of the big ones that they found recently is performance when sleep-deprived. Mental performance when sleep-deprived increases pretty measurably when you supplement with creatine.

[0:09:00 - 0:09:02] Elon Musk: Is creatine naturally occurring in steak?

[0:09:02 - 0:09:10] Joe Rogan: Yeah, it's naturally occurring in meat, I think. I think that's where it's coming from. I think it's primarily an animal-based thing.

[0:09:11 - 0:09:15] Elon Musk: I did switch to steak and eggs for breakfast, and I found that's like a power-up.

[0:09:16 - 0:09:20] Joe Rogan: Oh, yeah. Yeah, well, we're all overrun with carbohydrates.

[0:09:20 - 0:09:21] Elon Musk: Yeah, yeah, totally.

[0:09:21 - 0:09:33] Joe Rogan: And carbohydrates make this big crash, the rise and the crash, the rise and the crash. You stay flat if you eat a primarily high-protein, high-fat diet. Your body runs off ketosis, essentially.

[0:09:34 - 0:09:40] Elon Musk: So I just have steak and eggs, no bread or anything. Yeah, it's great. It's great, actually. It's a power-up, I'd say.

[0:09:40 - 0:09:52] Joe Rogan: People dismiss this whole carnivore diet thing because in our heads there's a lot of propagandists that put this thing out there that animal agriculture is the number one contributor to global warming.

[0:09:52 - 0:09:55] Elon Musk: Yeah, it's rubbish. Bullshit. It's not true. Bullshit. It's hot bullshit. It doesn't matter.

[0:09:56 - 0:10:04] Joe Rogan: Not only is it hot bullshit, but the real problem is factory farming. Regenerative farming is carbon neutral if it doesn't sequester carbon.

[0:10:04 - 0:10:10] Elon Musk: The animals are not going to make any difference to global warming. Like, none. No, it's horseshit. Zero, zero, zero, nothing.

[0:10:10 - 0:10:18] Joe Rogan: Do you think that that's just propaganda because of people that have a vested interest in, like, plant-based meat products and things along those lines, green energy?

[0:10:18 - 0:10:30] Elon Musk: I think that's part of it. You know, you're generally going to get people pushing to avoid meat. Like, some people just, you know, maybe they've got a financial interest Maybe they're just vegetarians or vegans or whatever.

[0:10:31 - 0:10:32] Joe Rogan: Ideological interests.

[0:10:32 - 0:10:46] Elon Musk: Ideological reasons. But it's not going to make any difference to global warming or the CO2 concentration atmosphere, really, if people eat fewer steaks. It doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. Irrelevant. I want to just be super clear about that.

[0:10:47 - 0:10:47] Joe Rogan: Yeah.

[0:10:47 - 0:10:52] Elon Musk: It will not matter. You will not even be able to measure it, okay? That's how irrelevant it is.

[0:10:52 - 0:11:01] Joe Rogan: Isn't it funny that that's... Unmeasurable irrelevant. Heretic speaking. That's crazy talk now. Nowadays, it's like you have to say that we have to eat less meat.

[0:11:02 - 0:11:05] Elon Musk: That meat is bad. No, you can totally eat as much meat as you want. It's not going to make a difference.

[0:11:06 - 0:11:07] Joe Rogan: Sing it. Sing it.

[0:11:07 - 0:11:13] Elon Musk: Tell the world. Yeah, absolutely. And if somebody says it does make a difference, I'm like, how will you measure it? And if you can't even measure it, then it's bullshit.

[0:11:14 - 0:11:14] Joe Rogan: Yeah.

[0:11:14 - 0:11:15] Elon Musk: Yeah. Literally, I won't be able to measure it.

[0:11:16 - 0:12:07] Joe Rogan: Well, there's so much bullshit out today. First of all, thank you so much for buying Twitter. Thank you so much. I'm not exaggerating when I think you changed the course of history. I really do. I really think you made a fork in the road. We were headed down a path of censorship and of... control of narratives that is unprecedented forget about what they were able to do back when they had newspapers and the media under control that what they were doing with social media by suppressing information and when you had a combined government effort like with what they were doing with the laptop story yeah we have 51 former intelligence agents saying that this is Russian disinformation yeah take it off offline yeah and Twitter complied yeah and If you didn't buy that, we wouldn't have known that. We had no idea.

[0:12:07 - 0:13:27] Elon Musk: Exactly. The reason I bought it was because I'm pretty attuned. I was the most interacted with user on Twitter before the acquisition. So, before the acquisition, I had more interactions than then. There's some accounts like Obama and whatever had higher follower accounts, but I had the most number of interactions of any account in the system. So, I was very attuned to, if they change the system, I can tell immediately. And I'm like, something weird is going on here. I just got increasingly uneasy. And obviously when they deplatformed the sitting president, deplatformed Trump, that was just insane. And the things he was posting, he was posting good things. He was saying like, hey, do not riot, don't do any destruction of property, please stay calm. That's the kind of stuff he was posting. And you're like, what's wrong with that? And then some people said, oh, that's like some sort of dog whistle. He means the opposite. I'm like, okay, so we'll give you Trump's account. Now you post what you think you should post. Because he can post nothing. He can ask people to calm down. Like what? It was insane. Like, it didn't make any sense.

[0:13:28 - 0:13:33] Joe Rogan: Well, it's completely illogical when you say it's dog whistling to tell his followers to not be violent.

[0:13:33 - 0:13:34] Elon Musk: That's crazy.

[0:13:34 - 0:13:35] Joe Rogan: Crazy. That's crazy.

[0:13:36 - 0:13:36] Elon Musk: Crazy.

[0:13:36 - 0:14:36] Joe Rogan: Don't you think they will listen to him? Yeah. Isn't that the whole point? They listened to him and created violence in the first place? That's what you think. That's what you're accusing him of. Right. and then there's the fact that we know that there was agents in the crowd that were agent provocateurs that were encouraging people to do illegal yes we know that for a fact this is not that it was always the big alex jones type tinfoil hat conspiracy theory because alex proposed that back at the world trade organization protests i believe we're in seattle in the 90s And they sent in agent provocateurs, started smashing things, lighting things on fire. Now all of a sudden a peaceful protest is no longer peaceful. They move in the cops, they shut everything down. They had it set up where it was a no protest zone, where you couldn't even have a pin that had the WTO with a red line through it. They wouldn't let you go in through to go to work. So you couldn't exercise your First Amendment rights. You couldn't even like have a peaceful protest, a fucking sticker on your car. You couldn't have that. It's crazy.

[0:14:36 - 0:14:52] Elon Musk: It is crazy. So, no, I think we're very much at a fork in the road in destiny. And, you know, so I mean, the reason I did the Twitter acquisition was like, it's like, man, if I don't do this, I think we're screwed is the issue.

[0:14:52 - 0:14:56] Joe Rogan: Well, if you didn't do it, no one else was going to do it because it wasn't a financial winner.

[0:14:56 - 0:15:12] Elon Musk: It was kind of a crazy move. It's a crazy move. I mean, the thing was way overpriced. Long term, I think we can ultimately make it a win for investors, but boy, this is a hard way to make a living.

[0:15:12 - 0:15:17] Joe Rogan: Well, there's also a concerted effort to suppress it. There's a concerted effort with the advertisers.

[0:15:17 - 0:15:32] Elon Musk: Well, we had a, and still have, a massive advertiser boycott that was organized by a bunch of left-wing NGOs. Like, you know, and you always want, and I should have brought my, I have a hat, make all well fiction again.

[0:15:33 - 0:15:33] Joe Rogan: I've seen that hat.

[0:15:34 - 0:15:45] Elon Musk: Yeah. I should have brought, I was going to wear my, I should have brought my make all well fiction hat again. But, yeah, I mean, it's just totally, totally nuts. So...

[0:15:46 - 0:15:58] Joe Rogan: If you didn't do it, no one would have. And here's the hilarious narrative that I keep hearing from idiots. Elon's a bad businessman. Twitter is worth, you know, 400% less than when he bought it. No, it wasn't worth that in the first place.

[0:15:58 - 0:15:59] Elon Musk: It wasn't worth that in the first place.

[0:15:59 - 0:16:07] Joe Rogan: It wasn't worth $44 billion, you fucking morons. Like, wrong. And also you're not taking into account the advertiser boycott. That's total bullshit.

[0:16:08 - 0:16:56] Elon Musk: Yeah, exactly. So there are these organizations, like you can tell there's like, they're like, when they have an Orwellian name. So like the Center for Countering Digital Hate is a total scam organization, you know, because they're like the Ministry of Truth type of thing in Orwell. You know, they're like, they're a censorship organization. And they pushed the advertisers to boycott. So we still have, like some of the boycott is starting to lift. And I think if Trump wins, we'll see probably most of the boycott lift. But if Kamala wins, we'll see that boycott get stronger. And they'll frigging shut down. There's no way that the sort of Kamala Puppet regime would allow X to exist.

[0:16:56 - 0:16:59] Joe Rogan: You really think that they'll be able to shut it down though? Is there a pathway to that?

[0:17:01 - 0:17:01] Elon Musk: Yes.

[0:17:01 - 0:17:02] Joe Rogan: What would they do?

[0:17:05 - 0:18:00] Elon Musk: Well, I mean, they can just, they can stick the DOJ on, you know, and say, like, you know, they've had this whole thing about, like, hate speech, misinformation, whatever, except that they're the ones pushing the misinformation. But that doesn't stop them from filing massive, you know, lawsuits and using the DOJ. I mean, like, the DOJ has been attacking SpaceX, for example, for not hiring asylum seekers, even though it is legal for SpaceX to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident of the U.S. So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Just an example of what DOJ can do. So it's illegal to hire someone who's not an American citizen? SpaceX is considered an advanced weapons technology. So it's covered by international traffic and arms regulations because we make rocket technology that can be used against the United States. So like if North Korea or Iran got SpaceX rocket technology, they could use that to launch nukes at America. Right. That would be bad.

[0:18:00 - 0:18:02] Joe Rogan: Yeah, that'd be really bad.

[0:18:02 - 0:19:11] Elon Musk: That'd be really bad. So since we are in the most extreme category of weapons technology at SpaceX, under U.S. ITAR law, it is illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident because the presumption is that if they're not a permanent resident, they're going to return to their home country and take the rocket technology with them. So it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not – they can have a green card or be a citizen. They just have to be a permanent resident of the United States. Then there's another law that says if you discriminate against asylum seekers, that's also – you're also breaking the law. So they just, so the DOJ, the DOJ can only do a small number of big lawsuits every year. Launched a giant lawsuit against SpaceX, saying that SpaceX discriminated against asylum seekers. And we're like, but it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident. So we're in this, this is what I mean, it's like, the Orwell situation is getting insane. Like, you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.

[0:19:12 - 0:19:39] Joe Rogan: Damned can you imagine history looking back up man at? When you watch the robot arms catch the rocket and you realize like this is like one of the greatest accomplishments in the history of aerospace Like it is one of the most wildest accomplishment when you watch that thing come and you see all those people cheering and it catches it perfectly like holy shit Imagine how history is going to look back at the DOJ going after that company.

[0:19:40 - 0:19:45] Elon Musk: Yeah. How insane it is. There was a big lawsuit with an army of lawyers. This was not some minor thing.

[0:19:45 - 0:19:47] Joe Rogan: But it doesn't even make any sense logically.

[0:19:47 - 0:19:47] Elon Musk: It doesn't make any sense.

[0:19:47 - 0:19:50] Joe Rogan: How could it even get brought to court if it's illegal?

[0:19:50 - 0:20:26] Elon Musk: Exactly. That's what I mean. Basically, if the government wants to go after you, they'll just find a reason. It's like that famous quote from Beria. So like Stalin's chief torturer, the head of Stalin's secret police, and he's like chief torturer, truly evil human being, like this guy Beria. One of his famous quotes was, show me the man and I'll show you the crime. Right. They decide that you're the target, and then they figure out the crime afterwards. That's the issue. They decided SpaceX was the target. They just figured out the crime afterwards.

[0:20:26 - 0:20:31] Joe Rogan: Which is so crazy because that's exactly what they're saying Trump is going to do if he gets into office.

[0:20:32 - 0:20:34] Elon Musk: They're doing all the things that they accused Trump of doing.

[0:20:34 - 0:20:36] Joe Rogan: Yeah. Openly.

[0:20:36 - 0:21:30] Elon Musk: Openly. Yeah. I mean, the sheer number of hoaxes that the Democratic Party is pushing over and over again. And it's like, look, I understand politicians are going to exaggerate. They're going to... And they'll tell occasional untruths, whatever. That's how it is in politics. But when you have deliberate, concerted, repeated pushing of hoaxes, you're like, wait a second. Like, come on, man. This is too far. And you're supposed to be the good guys. And you claim to be the good guys? I'm like, exactly. You're supposed to be the progressives. Yes, the Dems are like, oh, we're the good guys. We're the honest people. No, no, hang on. You can't claim to be the good guys. You can't claim to be the honest people if you're deliberately pushing hoaxes that have been debunked thoroughly. Yeah. Like even Snopes, which is a liberal thing, says it's bogus. Yeah. Like the fine people hoax.

[0:21:31 - 0:22:05] Joe Rogan: Obama just said that on stage. Obama just said that. I was like, what the flying fuck? He doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't give a fuck. They're just going for it. That's a flat out goddamn fucking lie. Flat out lie. How about the other one where Kamala's campaign used what Trump was saying about protecting women from illegal immigrants? Thank you. Remember that? Yeah. What he was saying is, if the women like it or not, I'm going to do it. When he was saying that, they were trying to say that he was taking away women's right to choose whether women like it or not. That's not what he was saying. Absolutely. He was literally talking about protecting them from dangerous people that are sneaking in through the border.

[0:22:05 - 0:23:30] Elon Musk: yes exactly they'll take like like not even a full sense like a half a sentence from yes and then and then they'll push it on on every ad every you know every speaking event and it gets repeated on the news yes this is what's crazy they'll talk about it on these new shows quote new shows Yeah, exactly. I mean, a recent one that came up, which had a lot of people, because a lot of people reached out to me, was like, oh, Trump says he wants to execute Liz Cheney. I'm like, that is utter bullshit. It's not what he said at all. It's not what he said at all. All he said was like, what he's saying is that, look, if Liz Cheney actually had to fight at the front lines, she'd think twice about going to war. exactly but like it's easy to go it's easy to go to war it's easy to be a warmonger if you don't have to you know risk dying at the front lines like if other like basically gets fucked up if people are having like fancy dinners in Washington DC while people are being slaughtered in trenches you know it's like you're not feeling the pain exactly you're not taking the risk it's someone else dying that's like it's that's that's cruel and lacking in empathy and and all Trump was saying was that it's like Liz Cheney would be much less of a warmonger, because she's a huge warmonger, just like her dad, if she actually had to go to the front lines and fight herself.

[0:23:30 - 0:23:33] Joe Rogan: And meanwhile, they're saying that he's saying she should be shot.

[0:23:33 - 0:23:47] Elon Musk: Yes, which is a total lie. But I had like tons of people call me this weekend saying, oh, Trump says he's going to put Liz Trani in a firing squad. I'm like, that is an outrageous lie. And legacy media ran with that lie big time.

[0:23:48 - 0:24:03] Joe Rogan: Yeah, it's crazy. It's just wild to see. And if it wasn't for Twitter or X now, I don't think we would know about all this stuff. I think it would be very difficult for you. I think YouTube throttled. They did something weird. They won't say what they did, but they did something weird with the Trump interview that I did.

[0:24:03 - 0:24:11] Elon Musk: where you couldn't find it. It doesn't make sense. It made no sense. I mean, it was like the biggest interview on earth, and you can't find it?

[0:24:12 - 0:24:14] Joe Rogan: Yeah. Not only that, it wasn't trending.

[0:24:14 - 0:24:15] Elon Musk: Bullshit.

[0:24:15 - 0:24:16] Joe Rogan: It wasn't trending.

[0:24:16 - 0:24:17] Elon Musk: It wasn't trending.

[0:24:17 - 0:24:19] Joe Rogan: No, it wasn't trending. You're like...

[0:24:22 - 0:24:24] Elon Musk: Like, there's just no excuse for that, man. No excuse. There's no excuse.

[0:24:24 - 0:24:30] Joe Rogan: It was getting a million views. What was it? 1.4 an hour at one point in time?

[0:24:30 - 0:24:30] Speaker Unknown: 1.5.

[0:24:30 - 0:24:30] Joe Rogan: 1.5 an hour.

[0:24:30 - 0:24:31] Elon Musk: Yeah.

[0:24:31 - 0:24:32] Joe Rogan: And it wasn't trending.

[0:24:32 - 0:24:50] Elon Musk: Yeah. And it's like your channel is a known channel. It's not like it was started yesterday. It's like... Yeah. It's like this is a high trust... Yours is a high trust channel. It's like you're not trying to scam crypto coins or something, you know? So... Well, thank God we put it on X as well. Yeah, yeah.

[0:24:50 - 0:24:54] Joe Rogan: Because I think just with your account and my account alone, it's like 70 million views. Yeah.

[0:24:55 - 0:24:55] Elon Musk: Yeah. Exactly.

[0:24:56 - 0:25:02] Joe Rogan: Yeah. Well, it's like you can't hide things anymore because of you. And if it wasn't for you, I think they would have had total control of social media by now.

[0:25:03 - 0:25:03] Elon Musk: Yeah.

[0:25:03 - 0:25:32] Joe Rogan: They banned so many accounts during the pandemic, so many dissenting scientists and doctors and physicians. They banned so many conspiracy theorists, so many people that colored outside the lines. They would have done that everywhere. I think even what's going on at Facebook, they're being more lenient. You hear Zuckerberg talking about taking a more libertarian stance. That's entirely reaction to the way Twitter has kind of moved the watermark.

[0:25:33 - 0:26:15] Elon Musk: Exactly. So as soon as any company steps out of line and is willing to actually have the truth debated on their platform, it forces the other platforms to allow things to be more truthful to not censor because their censorship becomes glaringly obvious. And the best thing I found for as a rebuttal, if there's a hoax, is just go to the source material. If somebody thinks Trump said that we should put Liz Cheney in a firing squad, I'm like, let me send you a link to X so you can watch his video. That's the best way. Don't take my opinion for it. Don't take anyone's opinion for it. Go to the source material.

[0:26:15 - 0:26:16] Joe Rogan: And Community Notes.

[0:26:16 - 0:26:19] Elon Musk: Yes, and Community Notes is awesome. Community Notes is the best. It's awesome.

[0:26:19 - 0:26:21] Joe Rogan: It's incredible because everybody gets checked.

[0:26:21 - 0:26:57] Elon Musk: Yes, including me. And with Community Notes, all the software is open source and all the data is open source. So you can recreate any given note independently. that's amazing yeah that's how it's a bit that's how it should be total absolute transparency in every way um you know sometimes i get i get asked like oh you know can you remove a note you know mostly by the left but sometimes by the right i'm like i'm like i don't even remove remove notes on my own account nothing and and by the way everything is totally open so if i did that it would stick out like a sore thumb yeah immediately like it's not going to be subtle

[0:26:58 - 0:27:05] Joe Rogan: that is the best counter to misinformation. Yes, absolutely. Let everybody look at it and say, okay, here's what the actual facts say.

[0:27:05 - 0:27:09] Elon Musk: Yes, exactly. The counter to misinformation is better information.

[0:27:09 - 0:27:18] Joe Rogan: Not just that, but having it checked in real time by the community. So you have millions of people that can go over it and debate whether or not this is true or that's true.

[0:27:18 - 0:27:34] Elon Musk: Yes. And like I said, the best way to understand the truth of things is don't take anyone's opinion for it. Look at the source material. So it's like look at what someone actually said. Look at what someone actually did. Look at the real videos of the situation, and then you'll know what's real.

[0:27:35 - 0:27:45] Joe Rogan: So as of today, when you were literally on your way here, you sent me this text saying that they're trying to lock you up in jail in Pennsylvania. Tell me what the fuck is happening.

[0:27:45 - 0:29:50] Elon Musk: Well, you know, there's the classic sort of Soros DA situation. So we're making a lot of progress in Pennsylvania. So, you know, I've given a whole bunch of talks throughout the state because Pennsylvania is the linchpin in this election. You know, whoever wins Pennsylvania wins the election. I spent three years in Pennsylvania. I went to college in Philadelphia. It's not like I'm a total stranger to the state. I spent three years there. And we've organized this petition in support of the Constitution, which I think is a good thing. And specifically asking people to, and we wanted this to be like registered voters in swing states. Like basically we want to send a message to the politicians to say that the people care about the Constitution because there have been all these attacks on the Constitution. Especially on the Democrat side, they've been repeatedly saying that the First Amendment is an obstacle. And they're claiming, oh, the First Amendment is enabling disinformation, misinformation. And I'm like, yo, there's a reason for the First Amendment. Like freedom of speech, the reason that the founders of the country put the freedom of speech there is because they came from countries where if you spoke your mind, you would get shot or imprisoned. That's why the First Amendment exists. And the Second Amendment is there to stop the tyranny of government. The Second Amendment, the right to bear arms, is there to protect freedom of speech. You know, I've had these debates, especially with people in L.A., because they're like, one taker, one's guns away. And I'm like, yo. Can you guarantee me that we will never have a tyrannical government in the United States? Can you make that guarantee? They're like, well, nobody can make that guarantee. I'm like, then we need to keep our guns because that's what's going to stop it.

[0:29:51 - 0:30:18] Joe Rogan: That sounds crazy for people to hear because they think about gun violence and gun problems and gun this and gun that, but that's the reality of the world that we live in is that tyranny is possible and it exists other places and it's slowly existing. It's slowly rearing its head in the UK. You're seeing... I think the number of people that have been arrested for just social media posts is bananas. It's in the thousands.

[0:30:18 - 0:30:50] Elon Musk: Yes. Several thousand people have been given prison sentences in the UK for social media posts where there was no explicit link to actual violence. but they just said it encouraged violence. Like, well, did anyone actually do anything as a result of that media post? Well, no, but they're just, and then they have a prison overcrowding situation in the UK. So they're quite literally releasing convicted pedophiles and putting people in jail for Facebook posts. That's an actual thing happening in Britain.

[0:30:51 - 0:30:51] Joe Rogan: That is so wild.

[0:30:52 - 0:30:56] Elon Musk: It's so wild that people can't see it. What the fuck is going on?

[0:30:56 - 0:30:59] Joe Rogan: And what's insane to me is that- Make oil fiction again.

[0:30:59 - 0:30:59] Elon Musk: Yeah.

[0:30:59 - 0:31:05] Joe Rogan: But it's all being encouraged by the left. Ketanji Brown Jackson, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton.

[0:31:05 - 0:31:13] Elon Musk: John Kerry was one of the people who said that, he's on camera a few weeks ago, saying that the First Amendment is an obstacle to fighting misinformation.

[0:31:13 - 0:31:23] Joe Rogan: Yeah. That's crazy. That's such a crazy thing to say when you have a solution in community notes. You have a solution in something that could clear everything up, any confusion within a day or two.

[0:31:24 - 0:31:38] Elon Musk: And even without a community note, you can reply to a post with evidence that shows that the post is wrong. You don't even need community notes. I mean, community notes is helpful because it sticks to the original note. But in the replies, you can say, here's why you're wrong, here are the reasons, and here's the evidence.

[0:31:38 - 0:32:05] Joe Rogan: But the argument is that people are too unsophisticated, that they're not going to research these things. They're going to be a victim of misinformation. So they're going to read something that's incorrect. They're going to run with it. People are going to die. We're going to ruin the world because people believed in misinformation. It's a stupid argument. It's a stupid argument. Because it's an argument that they're too dumb to know what's right or wrong. If you know, because you're saying it's misinformation, why do you think that you're smarter than everybody who reads that?

[0:32:05 - 0:32:26] Elon Musk: Exactly. And obviously anyone on the X system knows that things are posted and then there are replies and there are rebuttals and it's immediately corrected. But where are the corrections for the legacy media? Some broadcast media, they say false things all the time. But it's a one-way street. There's no rebuttal. There's no counter. Right.

[0:32:26 - 0:32:39] Joe Rogan: Right, right. Who's apologized for being incorrect about what, did Rachel Maddow ever apologize for telling everybody that if you get the COVID vaccine, you're never going to get COVID? It won't, the virus stops with you?

[0:32:39 - 0:32:39] Elon Musk: No, never.

[0:32:39 - 0:32:54] Joe Rogan: Never. No one ever. It's just, it was not true at the time. There was no evidence to support it at the time. It's pure propaganda. And she said it, the Russiagate hoax. For three fucking years they said that he was Putin's toy and that Putin had him compromised.

[0:32:54 - 0:33:05] Elon Musk: The Steele dossier. The Steele dossier was completely fabricated by a lawyer at Perkins Coie who was paid by the Clinton campaign. Literally. Crazy. And still people think the Russia hoax is real.

[0:33:05 - 0:33:18] Joe Rogan: There's no repercussions. There's no one had to apologize Hillary couldn't never came out and apologize for that and people still listen to her the whole thing is crazy and it's all coming from the left which Growing up as a person who was in the left my whole life.

[0:33:18 - 0:34:10] Elon Musk: It doesn't make any fucking sense same I mean, I I even I I was on the left until like three years ago. I Mean It's not the left anymore. It's not the left anymore. I believe we want freedom. We want to maximize personal liberty. We want to be kind to people. We want to have empathy. But it's very important to have personal freedom and a merit-based society. And the left wants to oppress your freedoms, especially freedom of speech. And they want to have a non-merit-based society with race-based and sex-based preferences. And it's like, well, wait a second. No, we just want people to succeed based on their skills and their hard work.

[0:34:10 - 0:34:29] Joe Rogan: And if they don't want people to express themselves about particular issues, then they're not doing the will of the people. And if they're trying to suppress people's ability to communicate, they're only doing that because they want to do things that people don't want them to do. And they want to silence opposition. That's all it is. And the fact that people can't see that and they want to call Trump a fascist.

[0:34:30 - 0:35:27] Elon Musk: The whole thing is through the looking glass. I mean, it's like one hoax after another that they're perpetrating against Trump. I mean, like they try to call the rally at Madison Square Gardens like a Nazi rally. I'm like, yo, there was like literally an Israeli flag in the audience. I think like a quarter of the speakers were Jewish. Like there were people of every race, color, creed, religion at that rally. Like tell me what about that is Nazi? no and yet it was portrayed as a nazi rally well msnbc they they literally showed video of the nazi rally from the 1930s and then compared it to the trump rally now ignoring the fact that jimmy carter spoke there there have been dozens of political rallies at medicine square gardens dozens on the on the democrat side like people and people on x were like and here's exactly here's jimmy carter and here's and here's wait a second Actually, it looks like every presidential candidate has done a – on the Democrat side has done a rally at Madison Square Gardens. Are they Nazis too?

[0:35:27 - 0:35:36] Joe Rogan: But what they're doing is they're preying on low information voters who aren't engaged actively on social media, who don't have the time to look through everything.

[0:35:36 - 0:35:49] Elon Musk: Exactly. Yeah. Like people are living – if people are just on looking at legacy mainstream media, then they have a totally different worldview than if they're on X and seeing the actual flow of argument. Yes. And the actual evidence.

[0:35:50 - 0:36:11] Joe Rogan: Well, what was the pushback? What happened when you guys released the Twitter files? Because I think the Twitter files is probably one of the most important things in this age of information for understanding the influence that government has on social media and on discourse. Because when we found out that that was the case, that the government was actually asking Twitter to remove posts that were factual.

[0:36:11 - 0:36:11] Elon Musk: Yeah, all the time.

[0:36:11 - 0:36:21] Joe Rogan: They did the same thing to Facebook. They had them throttle pieces of one of Tucker Carlson's show. They suppressed the views by 50%. Yeah. Of factual information.

[0:36:21 - 0:36:43] Elon Musk: Yeah. No, there was massive government interference in Twitter. But Twitter welcomed it. That's important. All Twitter welcomed it. All Twitter was controlled by far-left activists. Yeah. And they welcomed the government interference. They got paid by the government for it. That's crazy.

[0:36:44 - 0:36:45] Joe Rogan: They got paid for their time, correct? Yes.

[0:36:45 - 0:37:07] Elon Musk: Yeah, they got paid millions of dollars for suppressing information. And a bunch of it was flat out illegal. The FBI had this sort of magic portal into the Twitter system. But all of the communication in this portal was auto-deleted after two weeks, which breaks federal FOIA laws. So we didn't even know what was said because it was all deleted after two weeks.

[0:37:08 - 0:37:09] Joe Rogan: That's insane.

[0:37:09 - 0:37:09] Elon Musk: Yeah.

[0:37:10 - 0:37:12] Joe Rogan: That's so crazy. It's so crazy that people thought that was okay.

[0:37:12 - 0:37:14] Elon Musk: It's super not okay.

[0:37:14 - 0:37:33] Joe Rogan: No, it's super not okay. It's unconstitutional, and no one would want that. No one would want the government to have that kind of access. Exactly. And what was the blowback like when all that stuff got released? You had to anticipate that there was going to be problems when you released that. What happened?

[0:37:34 - 0:37:38] Elon Musk: Well, we did lose a lot of advertising dollars, and...

[0:37:41 - 0:37:47] Joe Rogan: Which is crazy because it's essentially like one of the most important forms of journalism is exposing government corruption.

[0:37:47 - 0:37:58] Elon Musk: Yes. I mean this is the weird thing. It's like the left used to be big on exposing government corruption. But once they control the government, they no longer want to expose the government corruption.

[0:37:59 - 0:38:04] Joe Rogan: Right. They want to pretend that the left-wing government is incapable of corruption because we're on the good side.

[0:38:05 - 0:38:49] Elon Musk: i think it may be just like you know whoever's in power kind of doesn't want the you know the other side hurt um because as you pointed out like the left historically up until i don't know maybe even 10 years ago or something like that um was the free speech party and now it's the anti-free speech party and they just they use they use words like Like, oh, well, we have to be against hate speech and misinformation, disinformation. But these are propaganda words. It's like, well, who's defining hate speech? Who's defining misinformation? The government. Do you really trust the government to make that definition? The whole point of the First Amendment is like, do not trust the government.

[0:38:51 - 0:39:14] Joe Rogan: Especially when they're wrong and there's no repercussions. Like with the whole lab leak theory, you would get kicked off of YouTube if you even presented this argument that, hey, maybe that coronavirus lab where they're doing work on the exact same virus that got released, hey, maybe that's where it came from since that's where the virus started. What do you think, guys? They'd kick you right off of YouTube.

[0:39:15 - 0:39:38] Elon Musk: Yeah. Yes, exactly. It's like, do you think maybe it could have come from a place called the Novel Coronavirus Research Institute? Yeah, like that Jon Stewart bit that he did on Colbert? That was amazing. It's like, what does it say on the door again? Can I see your business card? And to see Colbert resisting it with every fiber of his being. Yeah, they're like, what's going to happen to us?

[0:39:38 - 0:39:45] Joe Rogan: He was totally cock-blocking the bit to the point where Jon Stewart got off his chair and started walking around trying to take control.

[0:39:45 - 0:39:48] Elon Musk: Yeah. Good on Jon. And then the left tried to cancel Jon Stewart.

[0:39:48 - 0:39:59] Joe Rogan: Of course. Meanwhile, he was right. He's right. And no apologies. No apologies. Yeah. And, you know, the whole Fauci thing, like any criticism of Fauci, it's like anti-science.

[0:39:59 - 0:40:00] Elon Musk: Fauci's a freaking demon if you ask me.

[0:40:01 - 0:40:28] Joe Rogan: If you read RFK's book, the real Anthony Fauci, if that's correct, if the facts are in there that's true, it's all referenced, you could find the sources. And on top of it, he's never been sued for that book, which doesn't make any sense. If he just made a bunch of lies up, he would get sued. So the guy's a monster. I think so. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think like just looking at the lies that he told, the way he tried to define gain of function research to Rand Paul.

[0:40:29 - 0:40:46] Elon Musk: I think maybe a lot of people out there don't realize Fauci funded the bioweapons research that was going on in Wuhan. And he bank shot it off. Like he can't send the money directly to China, so he just bank shot it off EcoHealth. Right. This is like a fake nonprofit in the US. And they sent it to Wuhan.

[0:40:46 - 0:40:49] Joe Rogan: And Obama put the skids on that. He stopped that in 2014.

[0:40:49 - 0:41:30] Elon Musk: Yes. I mean, so to give Obama some credit, he actually was looking at this and saying, hey, this is crazy. So he actually did stop the so-called gain of function, again, a propaganda word. because what is the function they're talking about? Death. So if you actually use the right word, this is, gain of function is death maximization. Then you're like, oh, hey guys, should we fund bioweapon research into death maximization? Because that's what gain of function means. Yeah, it means- That's the function.

[0:41:30 - 0:41:34] Joe Rogan: Making a disease so that people can get it. Give it to people.

[0:41:35 - 0:41:40] Elon Musk: And by the way- What's that function again? Oh, the function is death? Oh, okay. So just call it a death maximizing virus.

[0:41:40 - 0:41:48] Joe Rogan: If you're doing research on that and the idea behind this research is so that we can cure these things, how come you don't have a fucking cure?

[0:41:48 - 0:41:50] Elon Musk: Start with a cure. Cure first, disease second.

[0:41:51 - 0:42:06] Joe Rogan: It doesn't make any sense. You guys had no strategy for dealing with it if it got out. And so you have to make up this new vaccine in record time, operation warp speed, release it to the people with very little testing. It's fucking crazy.

[0:42:06 - 0:42:06] Elon Musk: It was crazy.

[0:42:07 - 0:42:09] Joe Rogan: The whole thing's crazy, and everybody just went along with it.

[0:42:09 - 0:42:10] Elon Musk: Looney Tunes next level.

[0:42:10 - 0:42:14] Joe Rogan: Well, the PSYOP was fascinating to watch people step in line.

[0:42:14 - 0:42:15] Elon Musk: That's like one of the biggest PSYOPs of all time.

[0:42:16 - 0:42:52] Joe Rogan: Of all time. Of all time. And everybody got in line. And when you take it back to when pharmaceutical drug companies were able to advertise on media in the 1990s, that changed everything. We're one of two countries in the whole world that allows this. And because of that, because we don't have socialized medicine, it's a complete profit scam. And they went hard claiming all sorts of things that were never researched, all sorts of things that are not supported by data, like the fact that it would stop transmission, the fact that it would stop infection, the fact that it was safe for pregnant women, the fact that it was safe for children. All of it's bullshit.

[0:42:52 - 0:42:52] Elon Musk: Yes.

[0:42:53 - 0:42:58] Joe Rogan: And they pushed it on the whole world. And if you didn't say that at a cocktail party, you were a pariah.

[0:42:58 - 0:42:58] Elon Musk: Yes.

[0:42:59 - 0:43:00] Joe Rogan: And you were an anti-vaxxer.

[0:43:00 - 0:43:01] Elon Musk: It was totally psycho.

[0:43:01 - 0:43:03] Joe Rogan: It was like being a Holocaust denier.

[0:43:03 - 0:43:27] Elon Musk: You get kicked out of polite society. Exactly. Fuck you bananas. And I should say, I'm actually generally pro-vaccine overall. I think we should look at these things. But I believe in the scientific method. So you never blanket accept anything. You never blanket accept that any given medication or any given treatment is 100% good. You should always view it with some skepticism.

[0:43:28 - 0:43:34] Joe Rogan: Especially when you're getting the data from pharmaceutical drug companies that have a long history of criminal conduct.

[0:43:35 - 0:43:46] Elon Musk: They've got a vested interest in the research. It's sort of like asking tobacco companies about whether smoking is dangerous. It's exactly the same thing. According to our scientists, everything's fine.

[0:43:46 - 0:45:03] Joe Rogan: Yeah, they lied in court forever. The same thing they did with OxyContin when they said that it wasn't addictive. like they have a long history of being full of if it makes them money and that's what they do that's their business they've literally lost multi-billion dollar lawsuits in this massive they're in the you have amazing scientists right you have these clinical researchers these people that develop these incredible drugs and they this is their job their job is to figure out some new way to cure something some new way to stop things and then you have the money people And the problem is when you have this one thing that you would assume they're only doing it to help people, and then they have this other faction that just numbers people. And all they give a fuck about is maximizing profits and making sure they literally have An obligation to their shareholders. You have to make the most amount of money possible And so they just want to push it on everybody regard like the Vioxx scandal There's internal emails showing they knew there was gonna be cardiovascular events people were gonna get strokes Yeah, and they're like, I think we're still going to do well and they did they made like 12 billion dollars They got fined seven and fifty to sixty thousand people died. Holy shit. Yeah, one of them was a friend of mine got a stroke and No, he didn't die. He lived, but he was a really healthy guy. He was an athlete.

[0:45:03 - 0:45:04] Elon Musk: But he was psyched out the same afterwards.

[0:45:04 - 0:45:29] Joe Rogan: Yeah, he had knee problems and he took Vioxx and all of a sudden he was slurring his words and he couldn't concentrate and people were like, I think you're having a fucking stroke. And they took him to the hospital and then you have this giant class action lawsuit and then Vioxx gets pulled from the market and they get sued and the whole thing's fucking crazy. But there's a long history of this. I think, what is the number? Like one third of the drugs that the FDA approves gets pulled? It's fucking bananas.

[0:45:29 - 0:45:29] Elon Musk: That's crazy.

[0:45:30 - 0:45:38] Joe Rogan: That's crazy. You're shitty at one third of the things that you say are okay. But yet you're trying to stop MDMA therapy for veterans.

[0:45:39 - 0:45:43] Elon Musk: Yeah, they should let MDMA through, honestly. I think that would actually help a lot of people.

[0:45:43 - 0:45:44] Joe Rogan: It would help a lot of people.

[0:45:44 - 0:45:45] Elon Musk: It would help a lot of people.

[0:45:45 - 0:46:06] Joe Rogan: There's a lot of different therapies, specifically psilocybin, Ibogaine. The fact that you have to go to Mexico to get Ibogaine therapy for veterans. So many guys I've talked to have gone over there, and it's like completely giving them a clean slate, refresh their mind, and totally new perspective on life, alleviated depression, cured addictions. Illegal.

[0:46:06 - 0:46:07] Elon Musk: Yeah.

[0:46:07 - 0:46:09] Joe Rogan: Illegal. Oxycontin, go get it.

[0:46:10 - 0:47:00] Elon Musk: Yeah. And I know some people who, like, their life was ruined by OxyContin. Oh, yeah. Because, I mean, it really depends on, you know, somebody's individual biochemistry. Like, to me, like, opioids are not addictive to me. Like, you know, I've had them when I've had operations or something, and they barely affect my pain level, and they make me, like, itchy and uncomfortable. They make me stupid. Exactly. But I'm, like, so, like... I could never get addicted to alcohol or opioids. It's just impossible. Because my biochemistry just does not have... But I love tasty food. If I'm addicted to tasty food, sure. But I have a whole wall of alcohol. It's there for decoration. I have a dungeon, basically.

[0:47:00 - 0:47:29] Joe Rogan: I feel the same way. I could easily quit alcohol. I mean, I'll go weeks without having a drink. It doesn't bother me at all. But I know some people, they have one drink and they're off to the races. And that's the difference in the biochemical differences that we all have. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the case with a lot of addictions. I'm not addicted to gambling, but I get it. I see it. I've seen it in people. I have this aversion to things that I know are going to ruin my life. That's why I've never tried cocaine. I just saw too many people. It looks too fun. I don't want to get involved.

[0:47:29 - 0:47:40] Elon Musk: Yeah. I mean, I think generally for any given drug, legal or illegal, the question is, can you complete the following sentence? Blank made me a better person.

[0:47:40 - 0:47:41] Speaker Unknown: Meth.

[0:47:43 - 0:47:52] Elon Musk: I've never heard anyone say meth made them a better person or cocaine made them a better person ever. No. Made a lot of soldiers better, I think.

[0:47:52 - 0:47:54] Joe Rogan: Yeah.

[0:47:54 - 0:48:18] Elon Musk: If your soldiers need to march for three days in a row. Yeah. It's really good for that. Meth is effective at that. People give France a hard time about capitulating in World War II. But you know what's worse than the Nazis? Nazis on meth. The meth-duck Nazis. They're not stopping. Norman Ohler wrote this book. They'll have like six bullets. They're like, they're still coming.

[0:48:19 - 0:48:29] Joe Rogan: That book over there, Blitzed, is all about the use of methamphetamines and the different drugs that they gave their soldiers. The guys at the front of the line, they gave the most meth. They have different dosages.

[0:48:30 - 0:48:43] Elon Musk: Yeah. I mean, you just basically think you're invulnerable on meth. And so it's one thing, like I said, it's one thing to have the Nazis coming after you, but Nazis on meth, you're like, holy shit, those fuckers are not stopping me.

[0:48:44 - 0:49:05] Joe Rogan: three days not stopping it's so crazy yeah yeah that's not a statement meth made me a better person that you hear very often i've never heard that before no you're a lot of like psilocybin advocates you hear a lot of people that talk about psychedelics exactly i've actually heard many people say that uh lsd or you know mushrooms or uh mdma made them a better person

[0:49:05 - 0:49:21] Elon Musk: Many people. So that's why I'm like, I think a rule for the FDA should be like, hey, look, if you can complete the sentence, legal or illegal, that blank made you a better person, actually, then you got a good drug. And if you can't, you got a bad drug.

[0:49:22 - 0:50:26] Joe Rogan: Also, if there's drugs that are available right now that can absolutely ruin people's lives, the rationalization for stopping other drugs that might ruin people's lives but also can help a lot of people's lives, it doesn't make any sense. It's basically the same thing as censorship. You're taking away people's ability to discern what's true and not true, and you're taking away people's ability to discern what's good for you and not good for you. And the way to find that out is to have as much information as possible. So to do research and actually to have unbiased, actual objective observers who are looking at all this stuff that give you real data. Yes. And the opposite of that or the counter is like if you don't do that, you're empowering cartels. Yes. That's the whole reason why they have all that money. It's because it's illegal to sell these drugs in America. The demand is never going away. So instead of limiting the amount of drugs, now you've got toxic drugs because fentanyl and all this other shit, because they're not pure. So you're just killing people. You're not saving anybody by protecting them from themselves.

[0:50:26 - 0:50:26] Elon Musk: True.

[0:50:27 - 0:50:38] Joe Rogan: But it's a tricky situation, because what do you do? Like, if you just, like, say, okay, now everyone can sell, all these people that have been selling boner pills, now you can sell meth. Like, holy shit.

[0:50:39 - 0:50:45] Elon Musk: You get the double combo with the Viagra and the meth.

[0:50:46 - 0:50:48] Joe Rogan: Right. Jesus Christ. Oh, my God.

[0:50:48 - 0:50:49] Elon Musk: Oh, my God.

[0:50:49 - 0:50:52] Joe Rogan: Well, I mean, how many people are already doing that right now with Adderall and Viagra?

[0:50:52 - 0:50:53] Elon Musk: A bunch of people are doing that. Yeah.

[0:50:53 - 0:51:02] Joe Rogan: There's a lot of people out there that are essentially on meth, especially people that abuse Adderall. They're basically amphetamined up all day long.

[0:51:03 - 0:51:40] Elon Musk: Adderall is low-grade amphetamine. Yeah. I have actually seen people become much worse people if they take too much Adderall, like much worse. It's like an anger amplifier. Now, I'm not saying – Adderall is something where there are pluses and minuses. It's not a clear-cut issue. It does help some people a great deal. But in higher doses, man, that stuff, I've seen people turn into just raging monsters on high doses of Adderall. They're just angry, like extremely angry all the time.

[0:51:40 - 0:51:42] Joe Rogan: Yeah, they're messed up.

[0:51:42 - 0:51:48] Elon Musk: Yeah, that's what happens if you take meth. It's crazy. Meth turns you into a frigging rage demon.

[0:51:50 - 0:51:52] Joe Rogan: And so many prescriptions.

[0:51:52 - 0:51:53] Elon Musk: And I'm like, Jesus.

[0:51:53 - 0:51:58] Joe Rogan: We Googled it. Like one year, there was like 39 million prescriptions for Adderall in this country.

[0:51:59 - 0:52:05] Elon Musk: Oh yeah, once in a while there's an Adderall shortage and there's widespread panic. And then what do people do?

[0:52:05 - 0:52:19] Joe Rogan: And then it's the same thing as when they tried to limit the amount of Oxycontin. Well, people go to street heroin. And if you're addicted to Adderall and your dealer, the guy who sells you weed, is like, hey man, I can get you low-grade meth, like the stuff the Nazis took.

[0:52:20 - 0:53:36] Elon Musk: Well, they had high-grade meth, actually. They had pharmaceutical-grade. They had epic meth. It was, like, made by the... Like, pharmaceutical-grade meth is going to be... Like, there's... I mean, just look at the friggin' online Wikipedia page, but there's, like, many different versions of meth. Like, not all the same. And they have different effects. So, but, like, pharmaceutical-grade pure meth, you are going to be... Oh, my God. Super productive. Super productive for a certain period of time. And you're not going to sleep for a while. And then you will have some anger management issues. So, like, they actually... The Nazis, they did actually... roll back how much meth they were using because they had quite a few incidents of the soldiers killing their officers because they were on too much meth. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Too many officers got dragged by their platoon that was on too much meth because that happened quite a few times. When someone's on a lot of meth, they can get very angry.

[0:53:36 - 0:54:16] Joe Rogan: Did you ever pay attention to when John McAfee was cooking meth in a lab in his backyard? I'm actually quite a character. He was a character character. We had him on the podcast when he was on the run So he called in from an undisclosed location when he was running from where was he Costa Rica? Is that where he was Belize Belize right? So when he was running from the authorities, yeah, he called in we had him on the podcast on the run and I was asking him about these posts and Because there was an online account that was linked to him where he had this very detailed laboratory, like super sophisticated, making the best meth. Like a super genius cooking meth.

[0:54:17 - 0:55:31] Elon Musk: I mean, I think he had this lab, like he was making a wide range of drugs. And I talked to actually a reporter who went down and interviewed him in Belize. And the reporter said, man, that's one of the scariest things. He was quite terrified. So one of the things that McAfee, he had, I guess, this trick where he would play Russian roulette with himself. So he'd put a bullet in the revolver. And there's been that's been the chain. And clearly he had like some like trick to, you know, know that it was not the some, you know, way that he knows it's not the right bullet. But I do wonder, like, if McAfee is high and he does that, he's not always going to get the trick right, you know? Did he show you how to trick? Yeah, so according to this reporter, when he went to visit McAfee in Belize, McAfee took out the revolver, put a bullet in the revolver, spun the chamber, and then pointed it at his head and went click. And the reporter's like saying, please don't do this. Like, this is insane. Click, click, click, and then pointed the gun at the ground. And next went click, bang, and shot a bullet in the ground.

[0:55:31 - 0:55:32] Joe Rogan: Jesus.

[0:55:32 - 0:55:36] Elon Musk: That's a hell of a potty trick. This is a next level party trick.

[0:55:36 - 0:55:38] Joe Rogan: That's the guy who's seen the deer hunter too many times.

[0:55:38 - 0:55:39] Elon Musk: Yes.

[0:55:39 - 0:55:40] Joe Rogan: Remember that scene?

[0:55:40 - 0:55:45] Elon Musk: Yeah. When they were forcing. Yes. Yeah. That's a heavy scene. That's a heavy scene.

[0:55:45 - 0:55:59] Joe Rogan: De Niro and Christopher Walken. That's one of the greatest scenes in any movie ever. I remember watching that scene just like clawing at my pants. McAfee was a wild boy. Wild. And created brilliant antivirus software.

[0:56:00 - 0:56:04] Elon Musk: Yeah. Yeah. He may have made some of the viruses too. You think so?

[0:56:05 - 0:56:10] Joe Rogan: Well, didn't he like give laptops to a bunch of government organizations? With viruses on them.

[0:56:10 - 0:56:13] Elon Musk: Yeah. So that he could pay attention to what they were doing. Yeah.

[0:56:14 - 0:56:22] Joe Rogan: Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody whacked that guy. I don't know what happened to him, but he would be a guy that would be like, this guy is a little bit too loose.

[0:56:24 - 0:56:25] Elon Musk: And probably had sensitive information, I don't know.

[0:56:26 - 0:56:27] Joe Rogan: For sure he did.

[0:56:27 - 0:56:47] Elon Musk: I mean, I found him to be an interesting guy. I mean, like, I'm generally, like, feel like if somebody's not harming someone else, they should be okay. Now, there is some suggestion that McAfee, like, killed his neighbor in Belize. Yeah. Probably did. Maybe the neighbor's a douchebag. I think he probably did.

[0:56:47 - 0:56:50] Joe Rogan: Seems like he probably did. Seems like the neighbor killed his dog.

[0:56:50 - 0:56:50] Elon Musk: Yes.

[0:56:50 - 0:56:52] Joe Rogan: Right? And then it seems like he killed the neighbor.

[0:56:53 - 0:56:53] Elon Musk: Yeah.

[0:56:53 - 0:56:53] Joe Rogan: Allegedly.

[0:56:53 - 0:56:54] Elon Musk: Yeah.

[0:56:54 - 0:56:54] Joe Rogan: I mean.

[0:56:54 - 0:56:56] Elon Musk: It seems likely.

[0:56:56 - 0:56:58] Joe Rogan: It's not a zero possibility.

[0:56:58 - 0:57:02] Elon Musk: It's definitely not a zero. It seems more likely than not.

[0:57:02 - 0:57:06] Joe Rogan: He's a messed up wild man playing Russian roulette. Hey, maybe you killed your fucking neighbor.

[0:57:06 - 0:57:06] Elon Musk: Yes.

[0:57:07 - 0:57:09] Joe Rogan: I mean, if somebody killed your dog, you'd be really inclined to kill them too.

[0:57:10 - 0:57:10] Elon Musk: Yeah.

[0:57:10 - 0:57:11] Joe Rogan: Somebody killed your squirrel.

[0:57:11 - 0:57:12] Elon Musk: Yeah, John Wick.

[0:57:13 - 0:57:15] Joe Rogan: Yeah. The fucking squirrel thing is bananas.

[0:57:16 - 0:57:44] Elon Musk: Yeah. That squirrel thing in New York? So the other thing about the whole squirrel thing is that... How can it be that we live in America, supposedly land of the free, and the government can barge into your home with guns, so if you resist, you're going to get shot, and then take your pets and execute them? And if they can do that to your pets, what do you think they can do to you?

[0:57:46 - 0:58:04] Joe Rogan: It's not an exaggeration. Absolutely. It sounds like you're, oh, that's so crazy. How can you make that connection? Why would you kill that cute little squirrel that was obviously a pet and trained from the time it was a baby? If you see the interaction that guy has with that squirrel, it was wonderful. It was really cute.

[0:58:04 - 0:58:53] Elon Musk: Yes, absolutely. It was just obviously, it was a beloved pet squirrel and a raccoon too. And doing no harm. And the government comes in, barges into the guy's house, takes his pets and kills them. And I think this should really get people out there mobilized, frankly, because you say that the John Wick movie, where John Wick's like, he just wants peace in the John Wick movie. He's like, listen, I want to retire. And they offer him tons of money because they want him to be an assassin, to keep being an assassin. They offer him tons of money. They threaten him. He's like, listen, I'm not going to be, I'm out. And they kill his dog. That was a bad idea.

[0:58:53 - 0:59:03] Joe Rogan: That was a really- They killed a cute little puppy, and the puppy was his ex-wife's gift to him when she died of cancer.

[0:59:03 - 0:59:03] Elon Musk: Yeah.

[0:59:04 - 0:59:04] Joe Rogan: Great movie.

[0:59:05 - 0:59:05] Elon Musk: Great movie.

[0:59:05 - 0:59:10] Joe Rogan: The best revenge movie of all time. Because it's so ridiculous. He kills everybody.

[0:59:10 - 0:59:11] Elon Musk: He kills everyone.

[0:59:12 - 0:59:13] Joe Rogan: And you're rooting for him.

[0:59:13 - 0:59:15] Elon Musk: Yeah, they shouldn't have killed his dog.

[0:59:16 - 0:59:18] Joe Rogan: Yeah, they fucked up, and they shouldn't have killed that squirrel.

[0:59:18 - 0:59:26] Elon Musk: They shouldn't have killed that fucking, that squirrel, I mean, it's like, how many cases have we not heard about, you know?

[0:59:27 - 0:59:58] Joe Rogan: Aw, look at that little guy. And that squirrel clearly had a love relationship with that guy. He would hop all over him and climb on him. I mean, that was his pet. That squirrel thought of that man as his protector, as his companion. There was nothing wrong with that. And in Texas, it's totally legal. You can have a fucking zebra out here. You can have whatever you want. And that's the argument for freedom. You know, the flip side is you get a bunch of people with tigers in their backyard, which is not great.

[0:59:58 - 1:00:13] Elon Musk: This was a fucking squirrel. It's not an anaconda or a crocodile or something that's going to harm it. Or a chimpanzee. Did you see Chimp Crazy? Oh man, chimps will eat your face.

[1:00:13 - 1:00:33] Joe Rogan: They will fuck you up. The thing is they don't even kill you. They just cripple you. Chimps don't even kill people, which is really weird. They just bite your hands off and bite your dick off and tear your face apart. They want to leave you. They could kill you easily. If a chimp wanted to just punch you in the head until you're dead, it wouldn't take long. But they don't kill you. They just rip you apart.

[1:00:34 - 1:00:34] Elon Musk: Yeah.

[1:00:34 - 1:00:48] Joe Rogan: And you can have a chimp. Well, you used to be able to have a chimp in a lot of states, and then Chimp Crazy kind of exposed a lot of that, and PETA did a great job of stopping people from keeping chimps as pets. Because once they hit, like, five, you can't control them anymore.

[1:00:48 - 1:00:55] Elon Musk: Well, it's obviously totally understandable if somebody's got, you know, a creature that is dangerous to others. But, like, obviously a squirrel and a raccoon are not.

[1:00:56 - 1:01:03] Joe Rogan: Well, squirrels are fucking everywhere. That's what's so crazy. Like, why can't you have it in the house? What kind of rules are we dealing with? You have rats everywhere.

[1:01:03 - 1:01:15] Elon Musk: Yeah. I mean, they're allowing criminals to go free and violent criminals to go free, but they're spending your tax dollars to come in and execute your fucking pets. What the hell is going on? Exactly.

[1:01:17 - 1:01:18] Joe Rogan: But it's overreach.

[1:01:19 - 1:01:36] Elon Musk: It's government overreach. And this just keeps getting worse every year. And that's why we've got to fight back against this. You know, people say, well, it's just a squirrel. In John Wick's case, it was just a dog.

[1:01:37 - 1:02:16] Joe Rogan: Right. Yeah. Remember the Russian guy said, it's a fucking dog. It's just a fucking dog. It's just a fucking squirrel. Yeah. Yeah. What's the funniest thing is when, I just don't understand how anybody could justify it. It seems to me that in a logical world, all that guy would have to do is say, why don't you see me with this squirrel? This squirrel's a pet. Like look, he hops on me, he eats, he sleeps. I can keep a gerbil, but I can't keep a squirrel. I can have a guinea pig, I can't have a squirrel. I can have a chinchilla, my daughter has a chinchilla. It's adorable, adorable little thing, climbs all over.

[1:02:17 - 1:02:21] Elon Musk: Can't have a squirrel. Even if they did take a squirrel away, couldn't they have released it into the woods or something?

[1:02:22 - 1:03:22] Joe Rogan: Well, the idea is you have to euthanize it because it's used to being fed. It doesn't know how to forage. It won't be able to find a home. Squirrels are brutal. Squirrels are absolutely brutal to each other. They throw each other out of trees. which is one of the reasons why squirrels can fall from 30 feet and just kind of bounce off the ground and live. It's a natural adaptation because squirrels, during mating, they bite each other. There used to be a rumor, there was a myth that squirrels bite each other's nuts off. And that seems to be a myth, but it came out of the fact that squirrels are so ruthless during mating. So like one female is just running away. I have squirrels in my backyard. I watch it all the time. One female apparently goes into estrus and all the male squirrels fight to get to her. So they're running up trees and chasing each other around trees, literally throwing each other off trees. to try to like, so if this poor little peanut, the squirrel, who's used to living with a guy in an apartment, like gets out there in the wild world of squirrels.

[1:03:22 - 1:03:26] Elon Musk: Well, fair enough, but at least he has a chance. Yeah, at least he has a chance. At least he has a chance.

[1:03:26 - 1:03:27] Joe Rogan: How about just leave him with the guy?

[1:03:27 - 1:03:28] Elon Musk: Yeah, leave him with the guy for sure.

[1:03:28 - 1:03:31] Joe Rogan: What the fuck is wrong with you? Why are you killing that squirrel? It doesn't make any sense.

[1:03:32 - 1:03:38] Elon Musk: Yeah, and then to add insult to injury, there were a bunch of people on the left who were actually posting that they're glad that MAGA squirrel got killed.

[1:03:39 - 1:03:44] Joe Rogan: MAGA squirrel. Yeah. The fucking squirrel has an ideology. It's a cute little fluffy squirrel.

[1:03:44 - 1:03:44] Elon Musk: Exactly.

[1:03:45 - 1:03:55] Joe Rogan: Well, it's a nice symbol because most reasonable, compassionate people think that's terrible. And most people who have pets think it's terrible.

[1:03:55 - 1:04:05] Elon Musk: Yeah, exactly. Terrible. So I don't know, I hope people just go out there and vote for Peanut, man. If nothing else, just fucking vote for Peanut.

[1:04:05 - 1:04:44] Joe Rogan: They've done such a job of painting Trump as a monster. They've taken the worst things that he's ever said, and he's not a perfect person, but guess what? No one's a perfect person. They don't exist. This purity test, like if Obama was a perfect person, he wouldn't be lying on stage about that very fine people hoax. the it is exactly no one's gonna be a perfect person but The thing that they didn't understand about Trump is he's so crazy that if you tell him Like he can't be president like remember Obama did that during that White House press correspondent? There's one thing that I'm that I am that you'll never be president United States. You see Trump in the audience going.

[1:04:44 - 1:05:05] Elon Musk: Okay motherfucker, you know One thing is I was actually at that White House Correspondents dinner where, you know, it's supposed to be a roast of the president. Right. Trump's there. He's there. He's actually supporting, you know, basically, if you go to the White House Correspondents Center, you're there in support, actually, of the president and support of the press.

[1:05:05 - 1:05:05] Joe Rogan: Right.

[1:05:06 - 1:05:23] Elon Musk: And it's meant to be that you're roasting the president. Like, Trump's just there. He's like, actually, you know, just he's like there as part of the support. And then they turned it around and just started roasting Trump. And he's just sitting there. I'm like, he's like, yo, I just came to the dinner. I wasn't I'm just here to support.

[1:05:23 - 1:06:03] Joe Rogan: We know what it was because of right the birther stuff Okay, that's what it all was It was all Trump was at the head of a lot of these people spreading this rumor online That Obama's birth certificate was forged then he's actually from Kenya and what's weird is if you go back to Obama's early days there are some things that say he's from Kenya and Like, I think something from college said he was from Kenya. But, you know, that could just be, you know, people print things wrong all the time. It doesn't mean he's actually from Kenya. But Trump was one of those guys that was, like, spreading that supposedly false rumor. Was he pushing it hard?

[1:06:04 - 1:06:07] Elon Musk: This is the kind of thing where I want to just go and look at saying, what did he actually say?

[1:06:07 - 1:06:43] Joe Rogan: No, he definitely was. He was definitely saying, you know... Look, he, I don't think he has the time to go into things like very deeply. And so I think he could probably be influenced by a bunch of people like these Marjorie Taylor Greene type people come to him with some wild ass theory. He might be, and I think there's a lot of that stuff that gets fed to people on purpose so that they'll say incorrect things so that they're easy to dismiss. And I think there's also a lot of people that just make shit up and they tell you the earth is flat and then a bunch of people watch a YouTube video and they believe it.

[1:06:43 - 1:07:25] Elon Musk: Yeah. Well, but on that White House correspondent, I was there and the degree to which they attacked Trump at that White House correspondent was really – it was so over the top. It was like making everyone uncomfortable. Really? It was really over the top. You know, I mean, I think like sort of a passing joke of like, you know, a few passing jokes are fine, but they twisted the knife big on Trump in that. And you could see Trump just getting like angrier and angrier and more and more upset. I wonder if that's because... And it's like, man, this is not good karma, you know? That's what I was thinking at the time. I'm literally two tables away from Trump and I'm looking and I'm like, man, this is too much, you know?

[1:07:26 - 1:07:34] Joe Rogan: Well, it's kind of crazy what they made out of that because that's the kind of guy that if you tell him he can't do something, he's going to just keep trying.

[1:07:34 - 1:07:38] Elon Musk: It was a big mistake to rag on him so much at that White House Correspondence Center.

[1:07:38 - 1:07:58] Joe Rogan: Well, just look at the way they've attacked him just using the legal system, like this thing in New York where the 34 different felony counts are essentially misdemeanors. that there are bookkeeping errors that they decided, even though it passed the statute of limitations, they decided to try him for these. They didn't identify a felony.

[1:07:58 - 1:07:59] Elon Musk: Abuse of the law is what's going on.

[1:08:00 - 1:08:37] Joe Rogan: But most people would have quit. Most people, after the E. Jean Carroll lawsuit and this lawsuit and all the other ones, the insurrection thing, the Georgia thing, all these different things, getting kicked off of Twitter, most people would have just like, this is too much, I can't take this. But he's so fucking crazy. He's like, all right, come on, we're going to war. And he just... digs his fucking heels in and keeps going. It's the wrong guy to do that to. Just like attacking him at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. Most people would have been humiliated. He got angry. And he's like, yeah, all right. You say I can't be president? I've been thinking about running for about 15 fucking years. Finally, I'm gonna run.

[1:08:37 - 1:08:54] Elon Musk: Yeah. That was a real bad move. But, yeah, I mean, I can sort of understand making some jokes about, you know, a few sort of passing jokes on Trump, but man, I was there at that dinner and they ragged on Trump so much, it was insane.

[1:08:55 - 1:09:25] Joe Rogan: The reason why I would push back on that, because I would say there's a bunch of different speakers, right? And Trump would obviously be a target. And if they all attacked him, it's because he's like, if you're going to make fun of people in the audience, And especially in the zeitgeist, that whole birther thing was big. And most people were dismissing it as being a ridiculous conspiracy theory. So who the fuck is this guy saying this? And so you have eight to 10 individual speakers that are writing monologues. Of course, they're all going to hit Trump.

[1:09:26 - 1:09:47] Elon Musk: Yeah, well, anyway, obviously it was a mistake. They shouldn't have done that. But I invite people to watch that original source material, and I think a few jokes are fine, but it's like, it felt like he was the primary object of the roast. The whole point of the thing is it's the roast of the president, not the roast of the audience.

[1:09:47 - 1:10:07] Joe Rogan: The thing about it is he's easy to roast. And then on top of that, Obama was loved and cherished by the left. And most of those people are on the left. There's only so far you can push. You can't ask him about his chef. What happened with the chef, bro? There's certain things you can't bring up.

[1:10:08 - 1:10:10] Elon Musk: What's your favorite sport, paddle boarding?

[1:10:10 - 1:10:20] Joe Rogan: Yeah. Wasn't that guy a really good swimmer? Tell me what happened. You can't bring that up. If you're going to roast Hillary, you can't bring up the death count.

[1:10:21 - 1:10:40] Elon Musk: Hillary, what's the best way to stay in touch? Email? Yeah, if you're doing one of those things. She destroyed the servers and poured bleach on the servers, like computers. She poured bleach on them? Yeah, that's what I believe. It wasn't just like they took a hammer to it. There was no possible way to actually get forensics on the thing.

[1:10:41 - 1:10:43] Joe Rogan: What was in there? That's what I mean.

[1:10:43 - 1:10:44] Elon Musk: What was in there?

[1:10:47 - 1:10:50] Joe Rogan: Why would they care so much? That's so crazy.

[1:10:50 - 1:10:50] Elon Musk: Yeah.

[1:10:51 - 1:10:52] Joe Rogan: The whole thing is so crazy.

[1:10:52 - 1:10:56] Elon Musk: There was no legal action against that, which was clear destruction of evidence.

[1:10:56 - 1:11:35] Joe Rogan: Well, it's also, there's this other narrative that always drives me crazy, is that he's going to destroy democracy. So in order to destroy democracy, we have to install a president without a primary and We have to have a candidate that is the least liked vice president of all time, the least popular vice president of all time, and then use gaslighting and the full force of the media machine to turn her into the future and hope. And then she's going to be changed, even though she's the sitting vice president. And then on top of that, this idea of change when the Democrats have been in control for what, 12 or 16 years? Which is crazy. This is the change.

[1:11:36 - 1:12:59] Elon Musk: Yeah, I mean, obviously, I view this election as a turning point, like a fork in the road of destiny that is incredibly important. You know, I've not been politically active until this election. And the reason I've been politically active this election is because I think if we don't elect Trump, I think we will lose democracy in this country. We will lose the two-party system. And let me explain why. So there's only like six or seven swing states. The margin of victory in those states is small, often like 10 or 20,000 votes. What the Democrat administration has been doing is importing vast numbers of illegals into swing states. You can look at the numbers on the actual government website, meaning you don't take my word for it. You'll just look at the numbers as reported by the government, which is controlled by the Democrats. And what we're seeing is triple-digit increases in the number of illegals in every swing state. In some cases, 700% increases. These are gigantic numbers. So if you have a state that has a 10,000 or 20,000 vote margin and you put 200,000 illegals into that state, you 10x the – it's not a swing state anymore. Right. it's going to vote blue. And then once the swing states vote blue, there is no election anymore. There's only a Democrat primary.

[1:13:01 - 1:13:04] Joe Rogan: Which is so crazy. And it's so crazy that people are fine with that.

[1:13:05 - 1:13:09] Elon Musk: Well, I guess people on the left will be fine with that because they think that's a good idea.

[1:13:09 - 1:13:11] Joe Rogan: They just want to win. They just want to win.

[1:13:11 - 1:14:25] Elon Musk: Correct. The thing is, one does not need actually any grand conspiracy theory for this. You just have to look at the simple matter of incentives. If the Democratic Party wants to basically achieve permanent victory, all they need to do is turn the swing states. Turn the swing states blue, they have permanent victory. And then we're a one-party state. And then they will keep doing that, obviously. They will keep stacking the deck by bringing in vast numbers of illegals into the swing states. Keep stacking it so that the next election, each successive election, will be worse than the last one. And that's what's happening. And if you wanna see like, well, is this actually gonna happen? Look at California. California is super majority Dem, 70% Dem. A month ago, they passed a law making it illegal to show ID in any election in California. So a friend of mine went to vote in Palo Alto because he was like, is this for real? He tried to show his ID and they reacted like if you show a cross to a vampire. They're like, no, we can't even look at that ID. It is illegal for them to even look at your ID if you want to present it in California.

[1:14:26 - 1:14:33] Joe Rogan: Why? For any election at all, even like city council. What logical reason other than to cheat would you ever have that law?

[1:14:34 - 1:14:36] Elon Musk: The reason is to cheat.

[1:14:37 - 1:14:46] Joe Rogan: You can never make an argument any other way. And I think 84% of people polled believe that you should show ID to vote. So it's against the will of the people.

[1:14:46 - 1:15:04] Elon Musk: Yes. And we are extremely rare. We're an outlier in not requiring ID. Basically, almost every country on earth requires ID to vote. So as soon as you ban ID for voting, it makes fraud impossible to prove. Because how do you trace the fraud?

[1:15:05 - 1:15:07] Joe Rogan: Right. Yeah, it's insane.

[1:15:09 - 1:16:15] Elon Musk: It's insane. It's insane. And what I'm saying is that. How is it legal? What I'm saying is like this election is the last chance to preserve democracy in America. Mark my words. Everything they accused Trump of, they are guilty of. And if Trump doesn't win, this will be the last real election in America. And if the big government Kamala puppet machine wins, they will legalize the illegals in the swing states. There will be no swing states. Every election going forward will be a guaranteed Democrat win. And it'll actually be worse than California. The reason it'll be worse than California is because the one thing that keeps California from being super crazy is that you can move out of California like you and I did. You and I used to be in California, but we moved to Texas. We're still in America. But if the Dems win this election, they will legalize enough illegals to turn the swing states and everywhere will be like California. There will be no escape.

[1:16:16 - 1:16:17] Joe Rogan: That is so insane.

[1:16:17 - 1:16:22] Elon Musk: This is the final, this is it. This is the last chance.

[1:16:23 - 1:16:24] Joe Rogan: Has anybody tried to push back?

[1:16:25 - 1:16:34] Elon Musk: Go out and vote. Vote like your life depends on it. Vote like your future depends on it because it does. This is the last chance, man.

[1:16:37 - 1:16:48] Joe Rogan: Is there any argument against this? Has anybody tried to debate this? Has anybody tried to say that this is nonsense, this is a conspiracy? Has anybody made any sort of a rational argument

[1:16:50 - 1:17:14] Elon Musk: The left actually, interestingly, does not want to pick up much on this argument because the more you look at it, the more obviously it is true. Because you just say, well, are the numbers correct? Are there really this many illegals that have been imported into swing states? Yes. They haven't just walked across the border. They've been flown in. Flown in in airplanes.

[1:17:15 - 1:17:16] Joe Rogan: Yeah. Using a shipping app.

[1:17:17 - 1:17:17] Elon Musk: Yes.

[1:17:18 - 1:17:41] Joe Rogan: Yeah. They made an app. Well, the app always existed, but it used to be for people coming over here, like, shipping with goods so they could track you while you're in America, so you could legally be here, they know where you are. And then they changed it to allow that app to schedule Illegal aliens to come across the border. Asylum seekers, come on in. Oh, you have an app. And you fly people in.

[1:17:42 - 1:18:54] Elon Musk: They're literally being flown in to the swing states. So the reason that I think the left doesn't want to push back on this is because the more attention that this gets, the more people will realize it is true. Yeah, it is true. That's why they don't. That's why they're just pretending that they're pretending I'm not saying anything. But I'm like, I'm like, yo, you're literally they're literally flying vast numbers of illegals who are then beholden to the Democrats. And so now together a bottle of people say like, well. These illegals, they don't have the same social values as the Democrat Party because they're more socially conservative. I'm like, yeah, but that's not the point. If you look at the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, their primary thing is staying in the country and getting their friends and family in, and then the Democrats give them all these benefits, like tons of benefits, more benefits than citizens. Literally. Yeah. So they're beholden to the Democrats for all these benefits. They want to get their friends and family in, which the Democrats support and the Republicans don't. So they vote Dem. And you can look empirically at California and say, like, did they vote Republican or Democrat in California? Oh, they voted Democrat.

[1:18:55 - 1:19:09] Joe Rogan: Well, Reagan gave them amnesty in the 1980s. And that changed the state basically, except for Arnold, changed the state entirely blue. And Arnold was an exception because he was like a socially liberal famous guy.

[1:19:09 - 1:19:09] Elon Musk: Yeah.

[1:19:10 - 1:19:29] Joe Rogan: And, you know, didn't really impose any radical restrictions on any of the people that were going to vote Democrat in the first place. The whole thing is just, it's bizarre to watch play out because it just seems like, no, this can't be actually what's happening. Did you see my conversation with Fetterman about it?

[1:19:29 - 1:19:29] Elon Musk: Yeah.

[1:19:29 - 1:19:34] Joe Rogan: He was completely in denial about it. I don't think there's that level of organization. I'm like, what are you talking about?

[1:19:35 - 1:20:49] Elon Musk: Exactly. You can break it down. Are any of these numbers wrong? Because we got these numbers from homelandsecuritygovernment.gov. We got it from the .gov website. Has the government reported these numbers incorrectly? No, they have not. Those numbers, if anything, are low. So, OK, so they have, in fact, flown vast numbers of illegals to swing states. Yeah. Bypassing the border entirely. And so that is factually true. They say, like, well, what is their probable voting pattern? Oh, OK. Overwhelmingly Democrat into swing states. And then, well, do the Democrats actually want to fast track them for citizenship? Oh, yes, they do. You can see Chuck Schumer on TV saying at a rally this year was saying he wants to fast track and make all 11 million, or however many, I believe his quote was, citizens as soon as possible. The goal is to, they are fast tracking citizenship as quickly as possible so they can, whether one thinks it's cheating or not, it won't matter because they will be fully able to vote.

[1:20:49 - 1:20:51] Joe Rogan: And for people on the left.

[1:20:51 - 1:20:57] Elon Musk: This is actually happening. I invite people to rebut this and show me where I am wrong. Please do so.

[1:20:57 - 1:20:58] Joe Rogan: No, they can't.

[1:20:58 - 1:20:59] Elon Musk: They can't.

[1:20:59 - 1:20:59] Joe Rogan: They can't.

[1:20:59 - 1:21:00] Elon Musk: Because it's true.

[1:21:00 - 1:21:07] Joe Rogan: Well, what's scary to me is that there's people that are on the left, like people that were Bernie Sanders supporters, for example.

[1:21:07 - 1:21:14] Elon Musk: Yeah, Bernie got screwed. Talk about undermining democracy. Bernie should have won the nomination. Exactly. And they stole it from him and gave it to Hillary.

[1:21:15 - 1:21:20] Joe Rogan: Exactly. Exactly. That's what I was going to bring up. Like, they... control the primary process.

[1:21:21 - 1:21:56] Elon Musk: Yeah, exactly. So if you have a Democratic primary, it's not Democratic. We just saw that. We saw it with Bernie. We saw it with Kamala. A week before Biden was summarily fired, he was posting that he's in it for the long term. He's going. Yeah. Yeah. He's not giving up. Next thing you know, Sunday afternoon, they're posting on X that he's resigned from the race. Which is and his staff didn't even know like they're reading it on the X platform that that Okay, that's how they learned about it.

[1:21:57 - 1:21:59] Joe Rogan: What do you think happened there? How did they do that?

[1:22:01 - 1:22:06] Elon Musk: They I mean because they he's clearly just not not in charge. They could have used the 25th amendment fake president and

[1:22:07 - 1:22:12] Joe Rogan: But they would have to admit that there was a certain period of time where they knew that he was mentally compromised.

[1:22:12 - 1:22:12] Elon Musk: Yes.

[1:22:14 - 1:22:16] Joe Rogan: And so they made this decision to not do that.

[1:22:16 - 1:22:22] Elon Musk: Well, the weird thing is that the president's supposed to be the boss. Right. And yet he's obviously not the boss.

[1:22:22 - 1:22:42] Joe Rogan: Right, so who's running the country? If she's busy campaigning, she's so busy she can't do anything except Saturday Night Live, she did that. She's so busy, she's constantly campaigning. How could you be paying attention to international relations? How could you be paying attention to the economy? How could you be paying attention to any of those things? How do you have the time? You can't.

[1:22:42 - 1:23:16] Elon Musk: Yeah, I mean, Biden being, the president's supposed to be the CEO, the chief guy, he was the commander in chief. But it just obviously that Biden was not, he was just a puppet. And when the various puppet masters decided that the puppet was no longer useful, they just tossed out the puppet and then got a new puppet with Kamala. Kamala can't even talk. You invited her on your show. I think the most damage that could possibly be done to her campaign is going on your show and seeing what she says in hours two and three.

[1:23:18 - 1:23:19] Joe Rogan: Two and three is when things get spicy.

[1:23:19 - 1:23:23] Elon Musk: Two and three. And I'm like, oh my God. You could hide for 20 minutes. She's going to melt.

[1:23:23 - 1:23:24] Joe Rogan: You can hide for 20 minutes.

[1:23:24 - 1:23:36] Elon Musk: Exactly. Yeah. I mean, you can just regurgitate talking points for half an hour, maybe an hour, where she's just saying non sequiturs, but eventually she just runs out of non sequiturs.

[1:23:36 - 1:23:37] Joe Rogan: Well, they wanted to limit it to an hour.

[1:23:38 - 1:23:39] Elon Musk: Exactly, that's why.

[1:23:39 - 1:24:19] Joe Rogan: But I was thinking of doing it initially. Before Trump came here, first of all, when they found out that there was a rumor, I never announced that Trump was coming. What I was going to do is just release it. The way I like to do things, I don't like to tell anybody who's coming on. It'll get big no matter what. If Trump was on, it would have been huge. I'm like, just put it out there. People go crazy. But he apparently, or someone from his organization, someone, some loose lips, and then it got out. And so she contacted my management company and they, her organization, her, her campaign camp contacted us and said, would Joe have her on? I said, yes. And they said, she wants you to fly to where she is. And she's only willing to do 45 minutes.

[1:24:21 - 1:24:24] Elon Musk: And I was like, oh no.

[1:24:24 - 1:24:35] Joe Rogan: So I thought about doing it. I'm like, maybe. Maybe I can get a sense. Maybe I could convince her. Maybe I could coax her into doing more time. I just wanted to talk to her. I don't give a fuck what we talk about. We talk about recipes.

[1:24:35 - 1:24:46] Elon Musk: I don't give a shit. Just talk to me. You can't just output bullshit non sequiturs for three hours. But for 45 minutes you could do.

[1:24:47 - 1:24:55] Joe Rogan: I thought maybe for 45 minutes I could get something out of it. But then when Trump came and did the three hours, I was like, you know what? It has to be like this. This is the only way.

[1:24:55 - 1:24:57] Elon Musk: To be fair, it's got to be like three hours.

[1:24:57 - 1:25:01] Joe Rogan: And it should be in this room. Because this room has like a history of people expressing themselves.

[1:25:01 - 1:25:05] Elon Musk: This room has good vibes, actually. Yeah, it's got good vibes. Yeah, it does. I love this room, actually.

[1:25:05 - 1:25:10] Joe Rogan: I subscribe to the idea that places have memory. I think there's something real to that.

[1:25:11 - 1:25:13] Elon Musk: It does feel that way, actually. Yeah.

[1:25:13 - 1:25:19] Joe Rogan: I'm sure if you go to Diddy's house, it probably feels real weird. It probably feels weird walking around that house. You're probably like, what the fuck happened here?

[1:25:21 - 1:25:21] Elon Musk: Yeah.

[1:25:22 - 1:25:25] Joe Rogan: I bet there's some memories in that house. You know?

[1:25:25 - 1:25:26] Elon Musk: Sounds rough, man.

[1:25:26 - 1:25:30] Joe Rogan: Well, it's just amazing how many people on the Diddy party list that are supporting Kamala too.

[1:25:30 - 1:25:31] Elon Musk: Yeah, seriously. It's like insane.

[1:25:31 - 1:25:33] Joe Rogan: Publicly, openly, like all in.

[1:25:33 - 1:25:49] Elon Musk: Yes. It's like JLo was like his ex-girlfriend. And it's like now deciding she's like warning people against Trump. I'm like, well, wait a second. So how many people did she warn against Diddy? Right. Oh, zero. Okay. Well, maybe we shouldn't trust her opinion.

[1:25:50 - 1:25:52] Joe Rogan: Did you see the Babylon B's take on it?

[1:25:53 - 1:25:55] Elon Musk: Did you see the Babylon B fight?

[1:25:55 - 1:26:01] Joe Rogan: Oh my God, they're so on fire. Because the left can't say anything. The onion has been crippled.

[1:26:01 - 1:26:15] Elon Musk: Well, the problem is that- Find that post. The woke ideology makes humor illegal. Yes. So when there's so many humor no-fly zones, you can't make fun of anything. Yeah. I don't know.

[1:26:16 - 1:26:25] Joe Rogan: Babylon Bee had a thing about Kamala Harris. Diddy's ex-girlfriend urges Americans to trust her judgment. By the way, you get to see how bad an actress she is, too.

[1:26:25 - 1:26:30] Elon Musk: That speech was terrible. If she's going to be warning people, why did she never warn anyone about Diddy?

[1:26:30 - 1:27:08] Joe Rogan: Exactly. The whole thing is so strange to watch play out. It seems like the Diddy thing was like an Epstein-type compromise deal, where he had, whether he was doing it himself, conceivably, people want to think that he's attached to some intelligence agency or something like that. I think he's a gangster who made a billion dollars and knew how to control people by compromising them. That's what I think. Whether or not he had help, I don't know. Whether or not he shared some of that information with people so they knew they had compromising stuff on people, I don't know. But clearly he was doing it for his own jollies, too. There was something sick about it

Event Date: November 4, 2024

Timelines Involved

• - Presidential Election 2024