Full phone Call Between Kanye And Taylor Leaked: "Famous"

Kanye West: Always, relationships are more important than punchlines, you know?Taylor Swift: Yeah, I mean, I don't think anybody would listen to that and be like, oh, that's a real, that's a real diss. Like, she must be crying about that line. Um, and I think, I think because of how crazy and strange and fateful the way we met was, I think we have to pick our moments to, like, do stuff together and make sure it's only really cool stuff.Kanye West: Yeah, exactly. Like, we can't, we can't have it, like, be somebody else's idea that gets in front of it and they're like, because it's only, if you're, like, a really true, creative, visceral, vibey, like, person, it's probably hard for you to work at a corporation. So, how can you give a creative, you know, creative ideas and you're working in a house of non-creativity? It's, like, this weird, so, as long, whenever we talk directly. Okay, now, what if later in the song, I was also to have said, uh, I made her famous? Is that, uh, is, is...Taylor Swift: Oh, did she say that?Kanye West: Yes, it might have happened.Taylor Swift: Oh, my God.Kanye West: Well, what am I to do about it?Taylor Swift: Uh, like, do the hair flip? Yeah, I mean, um, it's just kind of like whatever at this point. But, I mean, you've got to tell a story the way that it happened to you and the way that you experienced it. Like, you honestly didn't know who I was before that. Like, it doesn't matter if I sold 7 million of that album before you did that, which is what happened. You didn't know who I was before that. It's fine. But, um, yeah, I can't wait to hear it.Kanye West: Yeah, I mean, it's fun. It's definitely, uh, you're, you're, you're, uh, you're ready to trend. That's all I can say.Taylor Swift: Um, what's the song called?Kanye West: Uh, it might be called Hood Famous.Taylor Swift: Oh, cool. Alright. Um, is it gonna be like a single single or is it gonna be a SoundCloud release? What are you doing?Kanye West: Oh, this one right here is, like, fucking Song of the Year type territory.Taylor Swift: Oh, my God. Amazing.Kanye West: Yeah.Taylor Swift: That's crazy. Oh, my God. Oh, speaking of Song of the Year, are you going to Grammy?Kanye West: Um, uh, I, you know what? I was thinking to not do it. But I thought, I think that this song, um, uh, you know what? I'm going to send you the song and send you the exact wording and everything about it, right? And then we could sit and talk through it. But if the song goes and fucking just...Taylor Swift: ...more stuff, they just, like, look at us and they're like, you already have so much. Even if we've made an incredible achievement, it's harder for people to write down our name for some reason.Kanye West: I get it. I get it. It's a human nature. It's envy. It's asking people in our industry to vote for the people who are already killing it.Taylor Swift: Yeah. Yeah. It's like how every...Kanye West: It's like, oh, so many people wanted Meek Mills to win because... Uh... So many people wanted Meek Mills to win because just Drake was just killing it for so long.Taylor Swift: Hmm.Kanye West: And they were just like, we just need, like, Meek Mills to, like, um... But I think, you know, okay, so, that has my mind going through a lot of places to problem solve. But I was talking to Ben Horowitz. Do you know this guy? He's a VC at Driesen and Horowitz out of San Fran. But he's down with the...Taylor Swift: I don't know that name. I don't know him.Kanye West: It's just like the San Fran clique. You know, that type of thing. Like, he stays down the street from Mark Zuckerberg and shit like that. So, I was talking to him and I was like, bro, like, like me, I'm in personal debt. I'm in debt by a good, like, 20, 30 million ever since the fashion and still have not made it out of it. So, that's part of the reason why I had to go to Roc Nation and the touring deals with Bach. And it allowed the whole town to try to feel like they could control Kanye or either talk to me like I'm regular or have agents do it. But they saw they couldn't. It's like, even in debt, he moves around like he's like a billionaire. I'm like, yeah, I'm a cultural trillionaire. I might have financial debt.So, I told Ben Horowitz, I was like, you guys, you, Mark Zuckerberg or whoever, Tim Cook, you guys have to clean that up. So, I'm sending Ben Horowitz my current balance. That means, like, I'm not up 50, not up 100 million, not up 200 million, not up 300 million. No. Negative 20 million. And currently, I, Kanye West, the guy who created the genre of music that is The Weeknd, that is Drake. The guy who created every single person that makes music right now, favorite album is the college dropout. Every single person that makes music that is there.And I, but I'm rich enough for, I have my wife, like my wife, I went into debt to my wife by 6 million working on the fucking house less than like a few months ago. And I was able to pay her back before Christmas and shit like that. So, you know, when I talk about Nike, the idea that they wouldn't give me a percentage, that I could make something that was so tangible when Drake was just wrapping me into the motherfucking trash can, that I could have something that was tangible that showed my creativity and expressed myself, that also could be a business, that I could have a five times multiple on and actually be able to sell it for like 100 million, 200 million, a billion dollars.That was very serious. Every conversation, every time I scream at Charlemagne or scream at Sway, that was really, really, really serious. And it also was with my family. I felt like, look, if I'm just an angry black guy with some cool red shoes from Nike five years ago, I was going to be visiting my daughter as opposed to be living with her. It would have been like enough is enough. It wouldn't have been cool anymore because it would have been a group of people, including my wife, that all had at least like 500, 400 million in their account. And then you get the angry black man at the party talking about, I'm the one who put Kim in the dress. I'm the one who did this. I'm the one who did. But it never like, it never realized itself.So that's one of the things I just talked to Ben. And I'm really, because I talk, I mean, I've talked about it on the album, talk about personal debt and shit. It's just the idea like, oh, shit, this dude with this fucking Maybach that makes fucking 50 million dollars a tour still hasn't lined it up or came out of the point when AG and Live Nation wouldn't give him a deal. The debt started after Watch the Throne because I got no deal, but I still was doing like creative projects on my own, shooting a film in Qatar, doing a fashion show, just trying to, you know, be very Disney, be very visceral, be creative.Taylor Swift: I mean, I'm sure you've thought about this up and down, but I mean, is there a way to monetize these in a way that you thought would still keep them authentic, but make them into a multi-billion dollar company?Kanye West: Well, that's what we're going to do. That's what we're in the plans of. Yeah, I have no, I have no, I'm 100% going to be like a multi-multi-multi-billionaire. I just think, I think it's fun that I can like be like Charlie Sheen and be like, hey, like I got AIDS, you know, like that to me, like I told Drake that the other night, I was like, yo, Drake, I'm in personal debt.And to me, for me to tell Drake, the fucking number one bachelor in the world that can fucking wrap anybody into a trash can that lives four blocks down the street from my wife and like basically fucks all of her friends that I'm in personal debt is such a like putting down the sword or putting down the hand or opening, showing the hand that I don't have my poker face on with any of you guys. I'm just, I'm just me, you know, I'm just a creative, you know, everything I did, even when it was missed time, whatever, it might've been from a, you know, it's always like from a good place.And I know that I'll overcome it and I know that the world will overcome it because like I'm going to change the world. I'm going to make it, I'm going to make people's lives better on some post Steve Jobs, Howard Hughes type shit. Like I'm going to do things with education, I'm going to do things that help to calm down murders in Chicago or across the globe, things to help down, to calm down police brutality, to equalize the wealth meets the class system.Because it's a bunch of classes, wealthy people that hate Obama because he's more social and he wants the people who don't have anything to have everything. And in my little way, by learning how to design, design is something that's only given to the rich currently. The exact color palette that Hermes uses versus the color palette that Forever 21 uses. A color palette is extremely important. Color is important.You know, the knowledge of proportions, you know, the size of our house versus the size of someone else's houses and just the dynamics of the proportion. Like, I don't want this conversation to go too, too long, but I wanted to give you a bit of like where I'm at, the perspective that I'm at, and the way, the fact that I am the microprocessor of our culture.Meaning like I can figure out how to give Rihanna a Marjella, I mean a Mary J. Blige type album. I can figure out how to get the fashion world to accept my wife and thus the whole family. I can figure out, I can figure out, those are, I can figure out a lot of impossible, I can figure out how to make something that you're wearing to the airport five years after the entire globe.[Cut In Audio]Kanye West: Okay, it says... Um, and the funny thing is when I first played it and my wife, uh, heard it, she was like, huh, what, that's too crazy, blah blah blah. And then like when Ninja from, um, uh, Dee Atwood heard it, he was like, oh my god, this is the craziest shit, this is why I love Kanye, blah blah blah, that kind of thing. And now it's like my wife's favorite fucking line. I just want to give you some premise of that, right?Taylor Swift: Okay, okay.Kanye West: So it says, to all my south side niggas that know me best, I feel like Taylor Swift might owe me sex.Taylor Swift: That's not mean. Okay, yeah.Kanye West: Well, this is the thing why I'm calling you, because you got an army, you own a country of motherfucking two billion people basically. That if you felt that it's funny and cool and like hip-hop and felt like, you know, just the college dropout and the artists like yay that you love, then I think that people would be like way into it. And that's why I think it's super genius to have you be the one that says, oh I like this song a lot, like yeah, whatever, you know, this is cool, whatever. It's like, you know, like I got like shit on my album where I'm like I bet me and Ray J will be friends if we ain't love the same bitch.Taylor Swift: I mean, I need to think about it because I just need to like, you know, you hear something for the first time and you just need to think about it because it is absolutely crazy. I'm glad it's not mean though. It doesn't feel mean, but like, oh my god, the build up you gave it. I thought it was gonna be like that stupid dumb bitch, like, but it's not. So I don't know. I mean, the launch thing I think, I think it would be kind of confusing to people, but I definitely like, I definitely think that when I'm asked about it, of course I'm going to be like yeah, I'm the biggest fan, I love that, I think it's hilarious. But I just need to think about it.Kanye West: Yeah, you don't have to do, you don't have to do the launch, any tweet. That was just an extra idea I had, like, but not, you don't. If you think that that's cool then it's cool, if not, I mean we are launching the shit like on, um, just good Fridays on SoundCloud, on the site, shit like that. But I, um, um, you know the thing about me is like, um, anything that I do becomes like a feminine thanks piece. And if I launch it, they're gonna be like, wow, like this thing, like they'll just turn it into something that... I think if I launch it, it honestly like I think it'll be less cool. Like cause I think if I launch it, it adds this level of criticism. Cause having that many followers and having that many eyeballs on me right now, like people are just looking for me to do something dumb or stupid or lame. And it's like almost, I don't know, like I kinda feel like people would try to make it negative if it came from me, do you know what I mean?Taylor Swift: Yeah.Kanye West: I gotta be super self aware about where I am, and I feel like, I feel like right now I'm like, it's close to overexposure.Taylor Swift: Oh well, this, this one is, I think this is a really cool thing to have.Kanye West: I know, it's like a compliment kind of. I had this line where I said, and my wife really didn't like this one because we tried to make it nicer. So I said, it's for all my Southside niggas that know me best, I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex. And my wife was really not with that one. She was way more into the "she owes you sex." But then the old part was like the feminist group type shit that I was like, ah.Taylor Swift: Yeah, I mean, they're both really edgy, but this is like, that's the only thing about that line is that it's like gonna, it's just the feminists are gonna come out. But I mean, you don't give a fuck, so.Kanye West: Yeah, basically. Well what I give a fuck about is just you as a person and as a friend. I want things that make you feel good. I don't want to do rap that makes people feel bad. Like of course, like I'm mad at Nike and that, so people think like, oh he's a bully, he ran on stage with Taylor, he's bullying Nike now, this 50 billion dollar company. I'm just...Taylor Swift: Why are people saying you're bullying Nike?Kanye West: Because I, because on facts like I said like, Yeezy they line up for days, Nike out here bad, they can't get shit away, they uh, yeah yeah yeah.Taylor Swift: That is, I mean, that's just what you do though.Kanye West: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say that it's like possible to bully a company like Nike, but I mean, um, yeah, I mean, go with whatever line you think is better. It's obviously very tongue in cheek either way.Taylor Swift: Yeah, and I really appreciate you telling me about it. That's really nice.Kanye West: Oh yeah, I thought I just had a responsibility to you as a friend, you know, and uh, I mean, thanks for being like so cool about it.Taylor Swift: Aww thanks, yeah, um, yeah, I really appreciate it, like the heads up is so nice. Like, it's, you'd be surprised how many people just do things without like even asking or seeing if I'd be okay with it. And I just really appreciate it, like, I never would have expected you to like tell me about a line in one of your songs, but that's really nice that you did.Kanye West: Oh you mean like unexpected shit, like you take the time to give someone a really really valuable award and then they completely run for president right afterwards, like unexpected in that type of way?Taylor Swift: We have not talked about that. What happened?Kanye West: I just thought that was wavy. I was, it was, it was viby. Actually you know funny thing, as I thought about the weed and the president, both of those things I thought about in the shower the day before. I just started laughing like crazy, and I was like, I gotta say that I had just smoked some weed and then say I'm gonna run for president, like it's gonna be. So those are my basis. I knew I wanted to say the thing about going to like the Dodgers game with you know my daughter and like getting booed and that being scary. And I knew I wanted to say like me changing and thinking about people more since I had a daughter. And then I wanted to say the weed thing, and then I wanted to say, um, the president thing. And everything else is just like off the cuff.Taylor Swift: Oh my god, it was definitely like, it stole the show.Kanye West: Yeah, yeah, it was pretty crazy. And then the flowers that you sent me.Taylor Swift: I like Instagrammed a picture of them and it's the most Instagram likes I've ever gotten. It was like 2.7 million likes on that picture of the flowers you sent me.Kanye West: Yeah, it's some, it's some, it's some connection or something that I think is really important about that moment when we met on stage. It's something that I think is really important about that like, and where humanity is going, or now where me and Kim are and having a family and just everything, the way things are land…*There may be errors on this page.